HomeMy WebLinkAbout02.13.97AGENDA
HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD
Meeting February 13, 1997
City Hall
City Commission Conference Room
300 N. Park Avenue
Sanford, FL
4:30 p.m.
I. Call to Order and Roll Call
II. Excused / Unexcused Absences
III. Approval of Minutes
January 9, 1997
IV. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness
COMMERCIAL
a) 201 W. First Street - Enclose Doorway with Glass to Match Existing
V. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness
RESIDENTIAL
a) 422 Palmetto Avenue (Previously Tabled) - Demolish House
b) 815 Elm Avenue - Install 12'x21' Carport in Rear Yard
c) 703 Oak Avenue - Construct Wood Canopy Over Back Door & Install Fascia
Board
d) 1019 Magnolia Avenue - Install Lattice Trellis and Landscaping
e) 901 Magnolia Avenue - Install Swimming Pool and Remove Shed
f) 410 Magnolia Avenue (Holy Cross Episcopal Church) - Enclose Garage Doors
VI. Acknowledgment of Minor Review Committee Actions
a) 909 Magnolia Avenue - Paint
b) 1307 Park Avenue - Install privacy fence along alley
c) 507 Oak Avenue - Ordinary maintenance
d) 618 Oak Avenue - Install picket fence
e) 1103 Oak Avenue - Replace jalousie windows with fixed glass
f) 801 Elm Avenue - Reroof with tin
g) 101 W. First Street - Lettering on door and window
VII. Letter of Appreciation from the Florida Trust for Historic Preservation
VIII. Other Business
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HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD
CITY COMMISSION CONFERENCE ROOM
CITY HALL
FEBRUARY 13, 1997
4:30 P.M.
I. Call to Order and Roll Call:
The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Laura
Sollien at 4:30 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Laura Sollien
Kimberly Kmett
Michael Skat
Jerry Mills
Barbara Farrell
Don Moore
Scott Singeisen
II. MEMBERS ABSENT:
Helen Stairs - excused
Jerry Gross - excused
Julia Goeb
Sica Nacu
OTHERS PRESENT:
Andrew VanGaale, Associate Planner
Marion Anderson, Recording Secretary
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Mr. Moore moved to approve as
circulated. Seconded by Mr. Skat. All in favor. Motion
carried.
IV. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness:
Commercial:
201 W. First Street - Enclose Doorway with Glass to Match
Existing: Billy Brumley, Shoemaker Construction, and Tom
Stevenson, Paulucci Enterprises, were present for
representation. He requested to change the storefront
and move it out flush with the building. Paint to be the
same color.
Mr. Mills moved to approve. Seconded by Mr. Singeisen.
All in favor. Motion carried.
V. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness:
Residential:
422 Palmetto Avenue (Previously Tabled) - Demolish House:
Joy Lewis was present. Mr. Mills asked what happens to
the house. Ms. Lewis stated that they are requesting to
demolish the house. She presented a sketch of what they
would do with the property if demolition is approved.
Mr. Mills asked if they were willing to give the house to
someone. She stated that they would be more than happy
to just give it away, but the fact was brought up that,
someone here had suggested that it was not in good enough
condition to be moved. Mr. Skat stated that he didn't
think it would be that difficult of a move because the
house is relatively low and small. Mr. Mills stated that
the additions could be taken off of it. Ms. Sollien
asked if they had tried to sell the property. Ms. Lewis
stated that the members of the church don't want to sell
the property because it is property that they want to
hold on to for the youth. There is a lot of youth at the
church. The daycare can bring the youth across to use
the property. The design shows a volleyball court in the
center. It is designed so that the posts can be removed.
The property is basically to be used as a recreational
area, even for neighborhood kids. There is the
possibility of benches where anybody could sit.
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Mr. VanGaale stated that he had checked on the zoning if
the Church wanted to make this a parking lot. It would
be permitted, however, the City would require site plan
review. This could either be done at Staff level or at
Planning and Zoning Commission level. There are
standards that may apply to this area.
Mr. Moore questioned whether the parking lot idea has
been abandoned. Ms.. Lewis stated that this idea had been
brought up previously and that was denied. The church is
not planning to use it as a parking lot, it would be more
of a recreational area for the youth of the church.
Mr. Mills stated that it seems that this request has been
here three or four times before and his position is not
going to change. It is a historic structure. A very,
very old historic structure. The house will continue to
deteriorate if no one does anything about it. He
believes that the house can be restored and no one is
trying to do that at all. This house is in one of the
blocks that were constructed by James Ingram commissioned
by General Henry Shelton Sanford to help upgrade the
neighborhood and help sell properties in this area.
James Ingram built a number of houses on this particular
block and Mr. Mills believes that this may be one of the
houses.
Ms. Lewis stated that this house had been a one -room
school room and additions have been added onto it over
the years. She stated that she doesn't know the stance
on whether the additions could be taken off because the
original structure was just the one room. The church is
not financially able to restore it as any kind of a
historic site. This would be a great deal of money. She
stated that they are in an area where they can not grow
very much and unfortunately, for any church, they always
reach for growth in reaching out to the community. She
stated that her church is unable to do that because they
don't have the facilities, they can't build on the
church, they can't build more parking spaces. The church
has worked with the banks and they let the church . use
their parking areas, on Sundays, and they transport
people back and forth with a van. As far as restoring,
that was never the intention. The church would like to
have used the house and have staff members possibly live
there.
Mr. Moore stated that he had looked at the house and
thinks most of the damage is superficial, certainly
repairable. The front porch roof is drywall, someone can
tear it down, and patch the roof above it. The rear
damage can be repaired. He asked what was the church's
original intent in buying the house and when did they buy
it. Ms. Lewis was not sure but she would be happy to
take any of the Board Members to look at the flooring and
inside structure of the house. There is a very narrow
stairway that goes from the main building up to a loft
that can't be used because they don't want the children
in there. The whole structure of the building is unsafe.
Ms. Sollien stated that the purpose of this Board is to
try and save these old structures. She feels a real
obligation to this. Some members on this Board has
completed houses that were in worst condition than this
house. She stated that she don't think anyone is
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disputing the fact that the church doesn't want to do
anything with it because it would be an expensive
undertaking. However, when a historic structure is
removed, it is removed forever from the community and
part of history goes with it, and no one is allowed, who
might want to buy this house and fix it up, because it is
gone. Ms. Sollien stated that our Board is here to
protect these older houses. It does put a hardship on
the church, but the church should start looking for other
options. Perhaps, selling the property, putting it on
the market, giving it away, allowing somebody else to do
something constructive with it so that there would be a
nice building next to the church that enhances the
neighborhood rather than just something that is run down.
She stated that she is not inclined to vote to destroy
the structure, she couldn't in good conscience, do it.
Ms. Lewis asked, she doesn't know if the church would
even want to do this, can the attachments that have been
added on be removed since the one main building is the
only historic part. Mr. Mills stated that he thinks they
can be. Mr. Skat stated that under the T1 -11 there is
lap siding. He asked if the Church is in need of money
and things, why wouldn't they want to sell this property.
The property next door has just been sold. Ms. Lewis
stated that it is not that the church is in need of the
money, its just that the church doesn't have money to put
into restoring a structure like this. This is where the
problem comes in because the church has an operating
budget. Everything keeps going up.
Ms. Lewis stated that her recommendation to the Board of
Trustees will be that there is no choice but to sell the
property.
Mr. Mills moved to deny. Seconded by Mr. Skat. Mr. Skat
made the applicant aware of the appeal process to the
City Commission within 30 days. All. in favor. Motion
carried.
815 Elm Avenue - Install 12 Carport in Rear Yard:
Mr. Mills stated that it is obvious that the house has
been maintained and obvious that they park at the angle
that is shown in the drawings. He moved to deny based on
the aluminum material. Seconded by Ms. Farrell. Mr.
Skat asked where the City stands on tent like structures
that are not bolted to the ground. Mr. Mills stated that
the City would not let Choo Choo Car Wash put one in
without having some kind of mechanical connection between
that and the ground and prove through structural
calculations that it would withstand certain wind loads.
Mr. Mills stated that this appears to be a temporary
structure. Mr. Skat stated that he wasn't in favor of
this structure and that it is obvious that it is their
attempt to get their cars our of the elements. Mr. Moore
stated that it would be hiddened and only seen from the
alley. Mr. Mills stated that part of Duany's Code was
that the alleyways were to eventually become more of
people -ways, become more visible even though their not on
the street, like secondary streets. Being in the
alleyway does not mean that something is out of sight.
Mr. Moore opposed. All others in favor. Motion carried.
703 Oak Avenue - Construct Wood Canopy Over Back Door &
Install Fascia Board: Mr. Mills asked what roofing
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materials are to be used, the application says wood
canopy. Mr. Mills moved to approve primarily because the
addition that is there is a later addition and he doesn't
think there is going to be any damage to any historic
materials and it is being done to help keep the weather
out, and the material should match the rest of the house.
Seconded by Mr. Skat. All in favor. Motion carried.
1019 Magnolia Avenue - Install Lattice Trellis and
Landscaping: Barbara Bowman was present. The trellis
will be 8' tall and 12' wide. Mr. Moore moved on
approval. Seconded by Mr. Mills. All in favor. Motion
carried.
901 Magnolia Avenue - Install swimming Pool and Remove
Shed: Mr. VanGaale stated that the applicants want to
remove the shed and eventually rebuild something in the
other corner. This is not a contributing garage.
Mr. Mills moved to approve the pool in a different
configuration and retain the shed. He stated that he
would be willing to meet with the applicants and talk to
them with some ideas of saving the shed and a different
configuration with the pool. Mr. Skat seconded. Mr.
Moore in opposition. All others in favor. Motion
carried.
410 Magnolia Avenue (Holy Cross Episcopal Church) -
Enclose Garage Doors: Bob & Betty Sonnenberg were
present. Mr. Sonnenberg stated that this is a 3 -car
garage with 3 metal doors. They would like to enclose
the middle metal door to the block, and close the first
metal door, next to the alley. They would like to install
a 42" metal door. Inside there will be a walk -in
freezer. Mr. Mills moved to approve. Seconded by Mr.
Skat. All in favor. Motion carried.
VI. Acknowledgement of Minor Review Committee Actions:
Mr. Skat moved to acknowledge the actions of the Minor
Review Committee. Seconded by Ms. Kmett. All in favor.
Motion carried.
VII. The Board acknowledged the Letter of Appreciation from
the Florida Trust for Historic Preservation.
VIII. Other Business: Mr. Mills requested that Staff find out
exactly when the Board approved changes at 811 Oak
Avenue.
Mr. Skat stated that he has concerns about the money that
the Board gave to the Trust. He feels the mailings were
unsuccessful due to the fact that he talked to so many
people who either didn't get it or like he got his at his
new address. The mailings should have been attached to
the homes instead of the owners. He heard that there was
money left over and the Trust decided to apply it to
something else within the Trust. His feeling is that
this money is this Board's money, its tax payers money
and it should have been brought back to this Board. The
Walking Tour Brochure that they were going to do has been
put on hold for a long time. He has a problem with this.
Mr. Skat stated that this should be looked into and that
this Board should not give money to anyone anymore. The
money is in our Budget for educational purposes.
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Ms. Sollien stated that what we did was trust the group
that we gave the money to, and this group was to apply
the money appropriately, we trusted that this was the
amount that they needed. We could have done it so that
we paid the bills, you do it, you send us the bills.
Mr. Mills agreed with Mr. Skat stating that this is a
volunteer board. The whole purpose of budget money in
the first place was to do additional studies, to bring in
more district area, to bring in land mark structures. In
general, to expand the historic preservation area that we
have and not to be a funding pool.
Ms. Sollien stated that that particular mailing is
something that we have always wanted to do and something
that we had talked about as a Board spending our own
money to do it. When the Trust came forward with the
idea that they would do it for us in conjunction, it
seemed like a reasonable function to give our money to.
We had a direct interest in this. The fact that it has
turned out this way is extremely disappointing and the
fact that the money has not been spent on the Walking
Tour Brochure, she doesn't think it is too late to
request some accountability.
Mr. Moore stated that the Trust collated, printed, and
mailed it. The only thing that the Trust hasn't done,
and we didn't ask them to, is account for the detail of
the expenditures. Mr. Moore stated that he was against
giving them the money and thinks the Board should never
again give money away for this type of purpose because it
is tax payers money and it is not given to us to
redistribute.
Ms. Sollien suggested that the Board request for
accountability for the money and also request
accountability for the Walking Tour Brochure.
Ms. Farrell stated that she volunteered for the Walking
Tour Brochure and things move slowly with volunteers.
She stated that if the money had been pledged, that would
have been fine. Money wasn't needed up to this point
because there is nothing to put money out for yet.
Ms. Sollien suggested that if there are any left over
monies, we can request that that money be used for future
mailings for new people in the District.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at
5:30 P.M.