HomeMy WebLinkAbout03.12.98AGENDA
HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD
Meeting March 12, 1998
City Hall
City Commission Chambers
300 North Park Avenue
Sanford, FL
4:30 P.M.
I. Call to Order and Roll Call
H. Excused/Unexcused Absences
III. Approval of Minutes - February 12, 1998
IV. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness
RESIDENTIAL
a) 315 Palmetto Avenue - Demolish Structure
b) 417 West 2n Street - Replace Doors and Windows
c) 700 Park Avenue - Install Pool and Cabana Addition to Garage
d) 1006 Palmetto Avenue - Remove Masonite Siding, Front Porch Screen and T-
111 Siding
e) 207 East I It' Street - Install Balcony, Wrap Around Porch and Install Sears
Premium Vinyl Siding
f) 1219 Park Avenue - Demolish Building (Previously Tabled)
V. Acknowledgment of Minor Review Committee Actions
a) 1100 Park \ Avenue - Install Stockade Fence
b) 700 Park Avenue - Install Picket Fence
c) 919 Elm Avenue - Install Stockade and Picket Fence, Paint
d) 417 W. 2 " Street - Rebuild Wrap Around Porch, Replace Siding, Paint
e) 109 S. Palmetto Avenue - Repaint Windows and Doors
VI. Discussion Regarding Magnolia Square
VII. Discussion Regarding Preservation Workshops
VIII. Discussion Regarding Expansion of Historic District
IX Discussion Regarding Preservation Awards
X. Evaluation and Appraisal Report Presentation
XI. Other Business
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HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD
MEETING OF MARCH 12, 1998
4:30 P.M.
CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS
CITY HALL, SANFORD, FLORIDA
MEMBERS PRESENT:
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Mike Skat
Walt Padgett
Barbara Farrell
Scott Singeisen
Laura Sollien
Jerry Gross
Julia Goeb
Kimberly Kmett
Sica Nacu
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Don Moore - excused
Eline Ransom - excused
OTHERS PRESENT:
Andrew Van Gaale, Staff Liaison
Marion Anderson, Recording Secretary
Bob and Linda Kuhn
Sharon Stevens
Susan Tidd
The meeting was called to order at 4:30 P.M. by Ms. Sollien.
Ms. Goeb moved to approve the Minutes as circulated. Seconded by
Mr. Padgett. All in favor. Motion carried.
The first application for a Certificate of Appropriateness was
315 Palmetto Avenue - demolish structure. Bob Kuhn, 305 Kimberly
Court, Sanford, was present to represent this request. Mr. Van
Gaale noted that this is a contributing structure. Ms. Sollien
stated that even though this is a contributing structure, it
doesn't have any access. She doesn't see this becoming a
residence for anyone since there is no way to get into it. Mr.
Singeisen asked if the applicants had any other use such as a
garage or a storage structure. Ms. Kuhn stated "no ". Ms. Kmett
noted that it is good that the materials could be used.
Ms. Kuhn stated that they have grandiose plans for this area and
they would like to build it into a courtyard area. With this
structure here, it doesn't lend itself to that. There is a
cottage that they will renovate but, at this point in time, they
don't have any plans to use this building for anything.
Mr. Gross moved to raise the building. Seconded by Ms. Farrell.
Ms. Goeb stated that there needs to be some type of notation in
minutes at to a reason for this exception, such as density and
the condition of the building. Mr. Singeisen stated that the
density is what contributes to the downtown. Ms. Kmett stated
that the Board is making an exception due to no access. Mr.
Singeisen stated that there is access from the alley and
Palmetto. Ms. Sollien stated that as a single family residence
there is no way that anyone can have their own access without
going across someone else's yard unless it it through the
alleyway. Is this acceptable? She stated that what we have is
an out - building, that was never meant for people to live in, that
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someone put apartments in.
Mr. Kuhn stated that three of the four buildings will be
renovated. One being the grocery store and also the cottage in
the back. He stated that the area is too close and would benefit
without this building being there. Ms. Kuhn stated that they
plan to move into 313, which is the structure now being
renovated. The building next door which is within 8 1 , is the
warehouse, or the grocery 'store. They intend to renovate it with
hopes of opening up a tea room or antique store. The cottage
that is directly behind the warehouse will be renovated as a
future guest or mother -in- law quarters. They would like to
connect the two buildings with an archway and enclose the
courtyard in with decorative fencing or a lattice -way. There
will be no access from the backyard. It will totally be closed -
in. The other cottage is structurally better. The two story is
of concern and they have no use for the two story building. Ms.
Kuhn stated that they have no idea of what this originally was.
Mr. Gross withdrew his motion until Mr. Van Gaale could provide
information as to what this building was originally. Ms. Farrell
withdrew her second. Ms. Kmett moved to table. Mr. Singeisen
seconded. All in favor. Motion carried.
The next item was 417 W. 2nd St - replace doors and windows.
Sharon Stevens and Susan Tidd was present for representation.
Sharon Stevens stated that these are custom sized windows and the
contractor will not refund her deposit. She had ordered the
windows before receiving Schedule S. Ms. Goeb noted that this
home is not a contributing structure.
Mr. Skat moved on approval based on the fact that it is not a
contributing structure. Seconded by Mr. Padgett. There was much
discussion regarding wood trim on the windows. Mr. Skat amended
his motion to include wood trim on the windows. Seconded by Ms.
Goeb. Mr. Skat withdrew his motion and his amendment. Ms. Goeb
withdrew both seconds.
Mr. Skat moved to approve the request based on the fact that it
is not a contributing structure with a caveat that the exterior
trim be matched on surrounding windows. Seconded by Ms. Goeb.
All in favor. Motion carried.
Mr. Singeisen moved to remove 315 Palmetto Avenue from the table.
Seconded by Ms. Kmett. All in favor.- Motion carried. Mr. Van
Gaale stated that 313 was built in the 1920s and used as a rental
property while the property just south, 317 Palmetto, contributes
.to the significance of the Sanford Historic District. The
building was on the side of a group of early Negro shanties.
This building was built in the 20s for use as a grocery store.
There is no file on actual structure. The two structures in
front indicate it as a colony or something at one point.
Ms. Kmett moved to approve the demolition. Seconded by Ms.
Farrell. Mr. Singeisen and Mr. Skat in opposition. All others
in favor. Motion carried.
Next was 700 Park Avenue - install pool and cabana addition to
garage. There was no representative. Mr. Singeisen stated that
he visited the site on Saturday and noticed that there was an
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existing window on the alley side and new window that is not on
the plans for the addition. The roof pitch and truss arrangement
on the existing garage is that of a hip roof. He stated that
with no circulation between garage and cabana placements, he
wouldn't object to the cabana being placed on the opposite
corner. Mr. Singeisen was concerned with the addition being
proposed on the garage structure, that it has staggered siding so
that it will seam itself. Mr. Gross stated that when someone is
doing over x- amount of dollars in work, to have them come in with
a licensed architectural drawing. We need to make this a part
of our code. Mr. Gross stated that this should be discussed.
Mr. Van Gaale stated that what he hears from the applicants is
that they don't want to invest in an architect not knowing what
this Board is going to do. He advises the applicants that they
will need professional drawings for the building permits.
Mr. Skat moved to approve the pool and table the cabana and ask
the applicant to come back with a set of drawings. Mr. Gross
stated that we can approve it as a schematic. Mr. Skat withdrew
his motion. Mr. Gross moved to approve the 700 Park Avenue
proposed addition schematically, and look forward to the
architectural documents to come before Board. Seconded by Mr.
Skat. All in favor. Motion carried.
Next on the Agenda was 1006 Palmetto Avenue - remove masonite
siding, front porch screen and T -111 siding. Bob Burke, 1006
Palmetto, was present. Mr. Singeisen moved to approve. Seconded
by Mr. Skat. All in favor. Motion carried.
The next item for consideration 207 E. 11th Street - install
balcony, wrap around porch and install Sears premium vinyl
siding. There was no representative for this request. Mr. Gross
moved to approve in concept. Seconded by Mr. Padgett. All in
favor. Motion carried.
Next was 1219 Park Avenue - demolish building (previously
tabled). Mr. Skat moved to remove from the table. Seconded by
Ms. Kmett. All in favor. Motion carried. Mr. Van Gaale stated
that the owner is an elderly Orlando woman that just doesn't want
anything to do with the property. Mr. Skat moved to table to see
if the City could secure and board up. Seconded by Mr. Gross. All
in favor. Motion carried.
Mr. Skat moved to approve the Minor Review Committee actions.
Ms. Kmett seconded. All in favor. Motion carried.
Next on the Agenda was the discussion regarding Magnolia Square.
Rami Yosefian was present. He stated that when he got his first
letter from Jay Marder he went in to talk with him and Andrew Van
Gaale. He stated to them that what was approved was wrought iron
and what is in there is pretty close to wrought iron. He stated
that he told Jay Marder that he needed two weeks to see what he
could do. During that two weeks he had a talk with the Vice
President of HPB, plus he had asked people around town and their
opinion was that what he has outside is a lot more comfortable
than wrought iron. Mr. Yosefian stated that he asked the Vice
President what should he do and the Vice President stated please
don't do anything, he would talk to the members of the Board, and
get back with Mr. Yosefian. He stated that he did not do
anything, he was waiting to hear from the Board. Meanwhile, Mr.
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Yosefian gets a second letter from Code Enforcement. Mr. Skat
stated that he did talk with Mr. Yosefian but it was after the
City had already sent a letter out. Ms. Sollien asked Mr.
Yosefian why didn't he come back in for approval of the different
tables and chairs. Ms. Kmett stated that what she doesn't
understand is that this gentleman came in for approval of
specific things, and the Board approved those specific things,
and thats not what the applicant did. She asked what is the
issue. Ms. Kmett stated that Mr. Yosefian showed the Board
samples and stated that this is what he was going to do and he
did something else. She stated that the applicant put in
something other than what was approved.
Mr. Yosefian stated that the Board did not have to discuss
anything with him. The Board has decided already what to do. He
stated that what he put in is not exactly identical to what he
presented to the Board, that he didn't copy the picture. Mr.
Yosefian stated that the tables are in the exact location that
was approved. The cart is identical to what the Board approved.
The only difference is the color. Ms. Sollien stated that the
biggest issue is that the Board approved wrought iron and what is
out there is not wrought iron. She suggested that Mr. Yosefian
remove the tables and chairs until an application for a C of A
requesting those particular tables and chairs be approved, and,
the other option is to trade these tables and chairs out for
wrought iron. Even if the tables and chairs are moved, the
problem will not be fixed because they are of the wrong material.
Ms. Sollien stated that what Mr. Yosefian should do is remove
them temporarily and either come back and request the material,
or change them out, or go through Code Enforcement process, or
appeal to City Commission. Mr. Yosefian stated that he was going
to the City Commission because the Commissioners, personally,
were there and he has their signatures that it is o.k. with them.
The Board decided that the coffee cart was o.k. as it is and that
the tables and chairs would stay in code enforcement until they
are changed.
Next was the discussion regarding Preservation Workshops. Mr.
Van Gaale stated that if anyone is interested there are a couple
of workshops by the State available.
Next on the Agenda was the discussion regarding the expansion of
the Historic District. Mr. Van Gaale stated that it has been
several months since any activity. He suggested that each Board
member get a map and visit the site and scope out an area that
each one feels would be appropriate. It was decided that the
members would take the map and fine tune the areas at the next
meeting.
Mr. Gross discussed the idea of conceptual approval. He stated
that the reason some applicants are getting confused is because
when they come before this Board, the members are putting in what
we feel. We shouldn't be doing this, this is design. The
applicants should come in and say this is what we want to do and
when they say this, and they have everything documented, then we
can say we approve it or make suggestions. Mr. Gross stated that
we can't get into designing projects because this is when we come
under attack.
Next was the discussion regarding Preservation Awards. Ms.
Sollien stated that Mr. Moore, Ms. Kmett and herself was on the
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committee. There are two parts, the application and the depth
and sr-ope of the restoration. The inside restoration of some of
these building cannot be ignored. The committee decided to open
the applications up to the entire city, not just the district.
Mr. Van Gaale presented the Evaluation and Appraisal
Presentation.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 7 :15
P.M.