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HomeMy WebLinkAbout07.10.69ILJ w a_ O O M M I N U T E S ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION CITY OF SANFORD July 10, 1969 City Commission Room, City Hall 7 :30 P.M. Present Arthur H. Harris, Acting Chairman B. C. (Cal) Conklin Robert E. Karns W. Garnett White City Planner Gerald Dake City Manager W. E. Knowles Building Official Linvel J. Risner Absent Donald G. Bishop, Jr. John Daniels, Jr. Jefferson R. Davis Phillip H. Logan Clifford W. McKibbin, Jr., Chairman The Acting Chairman called the meeting to order. O L� w A 0 w V) W CL 0: O O M B. C. (Cal) Conklin was welcomed as a new member of the Board. Due to a lack of a quorum, the Acting Chairman announced that business could not be officially handled and the meeting would be for discussion purposes. A. B. (Tommie ) Peterson, Jr., Chairman, Scenic Improvement Board, appeared to request consideration of a recommendation of said board to the City Commission for the rezoning of an area bounded on the south by Fulton Street; on the east by Myrtle Avenue; on the west by French Avenue; and on the north by Lake Monroe from an M -1, light industrial, to C -2, general commercial. Mr. Peterson outlined the basis of the request being to phase out the "tank farm" in this area in order that the area could be upgraded for compatibility with the C -2 zoning of the downtown business district. Several oil companies in this area have now closed down their operations and under the C -2 zoning they could not expand the M -1 use. Further, being a non - conforming use and the business ceasing their operation for a period of 6 months could not reactivate an M -1 use. Minutes - Z & P July 10, 1969 -2- Although not mentioned by Mr. Peterson, a long range planning program has been proposed that would make this area and other areas to the west, along the lakefront, 4 Lake Monroe Recreational and Tourist Park. The members present were in accord with the request with Mr. Peterson being informed that the matter would be placed on the agenda of the next regular meeting for official recommendation. Consideration was next given to a questionnaire submitted for review by Gerald Dake, City Planning Consultant, for purposes of introducing the planning program, through newspaper publication, and to get the reactions of the citizens with their filling out the form and returning to the city manager's office. More particularly keyed to stimulate the interest of the public. Mr. Dake mentioned that it could well be titled PLEASE HELP.US PLAN YOUR CITY. Some , members felt that the form was too broad and would be difficult to categorize upon its return. Again, Mr. Dake emphasized it was to stimulate interest and to get the public to thinking about their city and future planning of it, and possibly with this leading later to the setting up of a "public forum" sometime in September or October with invitations to the City Commission, Chamber of Commerce, Merchants Association and various civic groups for purposes of education. Some members felt that that the questions could be more specific with possibly a multiple choice and a check -off beside the choice of one. A prize was suggested for the best answer to possibly one particular question. Mr. Conklin felt that the questionnaire would be utilized better by going to selective organizations or clubs who would be willing to spend the time on such material as opposed to the entire general public. He also suggested the adding of a few more questions as to what the citizens want their city to be like. Mr. White suggested that it might be well to add a question on "consolidation" as to do the people feel that there is a duplication of services and do we need a "central" or metro type of government. The City Manager pointed out that to some people a pot hole in front of their house might be a major problem to them and this type of answer would be difficult to tabulate or evaluate. Mr. Karns indicated that it could be sent out or printed in the original form and then after general reviewing of the answers, the form could be revised with "specifics" and then published again; this process being more of a refining method. The Manager further stated that some answers should not even be considered and pointed out that the general public needs to have their horizons broadened as they are familiar only with what is directly close to them and, therefore, you might have to key a general question into a second questionnaire under a specific IL db O m 0 V V) Q W CL cu O O M IM Minutes - Z & P July 10, 1969 - question as an example of a "street construction program ". Mr. Dake again stated that he was not seeking any results from the survey, but to stimulate interest; get the people thinking about their community; who is their planning board; what do they do; and then follow through with a public forum where the citizens can come and then talk about these general items. A suggestion was made to add a question of .. What would you like your City to be like in 1985? Harry Skopp was present and suggested t: quizz per week be published in the paper with "yes" or "no" as an example on moving the zoo city hall. The Chairman mentioned that this question of whether the citizen wanted his or approximately 3 mills. hat one question or a box at the side for or moving the would involve a her taxes increased Upon finalizing the discussion, Mr. Dake was to take the questionnaire back to Jacksonville with him for a re -write as discussed. Discussion was next given to steps to be undertaken to get an Urban Renewal Program underway under the provision of the new /I�gtglative general law allowing counties and municipalities to prepare urban renewal programs and said programs to be placed as a referendum on the ballot for the vote of the people and then implemented upon majority vote. The City Manager informed the Board that the City Commission is now studying the proposed 1969 -70 Budget and that urban re- newal projects of street construction, code enforcement, utility construction, etc. appropriations had to be cut out due to the state law on the freezing of the present millage and the limitation or rollback to 10 mills in 1970. He also pointed out that the voting public must be told what they are getting under an urban renewal program on a referendum and how much it will cost. Relating to urban renewal, the Building Official recommended that an educational program should be considered on the level of the board members as well as the citizens due to the enabling act stating that if a referendum is called and it should fail, another referendum cannot be presented for another 2 years; therefore, a lot of ground work and education needs to precede the placement of same on the ballot. The City Manager pointed out that a municipality can only do what their State Legislature allows them to do and, therefore, municipalities are creatures of the State; your state laws being different throughout your states; and you derive your authority from state laws. He felt that the State of Florida, being a Minutes - Z & P July 10, 1969 -4 young state, will probably go through another evolution before it catches up with the other states and what their laws allow them to do. The City Planner stated that he would have to take exception with the city manager in Florida's governmental activities. An illustration being that, Florida is way out in front in government by looking at the "metro" system which is definitely an extremity, whether it be good or bad, and looking at Jacksonville's consolidation, good or bad, it is one of the prototype's in the country. Further, urban renewal has made some great accomplishments in Tampa and Miami and he would predict that Jacksonville during the next decade will have an outstanding accomplishment. The City Manager pointed out that the Planner's statement was supporting a prior statement, made by the city manager, that the population density has made it a necessity for the people to grow up and recognize these things in a hurry, such as the Carolinas, Chicago, etc. The City Planner stated that the discussion pointed out the first question: "Do we want urban renewal in the City of Sanford" and it appears evident that "we are not sure" and possibly primarily because it is not understood. The Vice Chairman stated that this might be because we do not know just how much it will cost. The Planner pointed out that there is just so much federal money to go around and that if Sanford is going to get involved it should be "now "; that we should not consider cost; but should consider if Sanford has a sub - standard blighted area in the community. Vice Chairman Harris stated that Sanford has been through the blighted area problem with the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development, Atlanta, Georgia, and the City knows that there is such an area. However, there is a need for a cost determination to see if the City can accomplish it before same is placed on a referendum. Planner Dake stated that it does not work in this manner and we cannot determine how much it is going to cost. We don't know what the program is going to be. We can't determine what the program is gong to be until we go through the long and ex- hausted costly steps of doing the S &P (survey and planning) and determine what it is going to cost us. The Vice Chairman then questioned that since an area had been determined by HUD, why couldn't a "ball park" figure be arrived at for the area designated as urban renewal. He felt that the public must be informed that "X" number of dollars is needed for a designated urban renewal program. Minutes - Z & P July 10, 1969 -5- The Planner explained that once the program is off the ground then the money can come from "credits" and cost the City nothing out of pocket directly. Where the cost comes is in the survey and planning portion of it and in putting the data and material and getting underway. He emphasized that with a street construction plan and a drainage plan the City has the makings for an urban renewal program now. But that we would need about $50,000 or 1k mill to get people (administrative personnel) started on the urban renewal program. The Planner stated that you must keep in mind that you schedule your improvements correctly so that you keep building on the "credits" all the time and do not lose them. Further stating that Sanford could work in the renewal program for the next 15 years; assuming that Congress is going to fund these various programs each year. The city manager explained that a mill is worth $42,000 and to service a million dollars it would cost the people roughly an extra 2 mills per year for a 30 -year period. Roughly, to get the drainage plan and sewer treatment plant we are discussing 5 mills for 30 years. This would be just the first phase of the drainage plan- program. Capital improvements were then discussed in relation to an urban renewal program with a suggestion for either one project or a complete program of projects. The Planner pointed out that you use the capital improvement program as a method for funding the urban renewal efforts. Capital improvements are needed regardless of whether the City ever goes into urban renewal programs. It was hoped that a meeting sometime in late August or the immediate future could be scheduled for an education program in urban renewal. It was mentioned that the members should not lose sight. of a proposed joint meeting of the City and County Planning Boards, including the Orange - Seminole - Osceola Joint Planning Council, and possibly the planners in the various municipalities in the south end of the county. Mr. Dake stated that he would con- tact these persons or boards relative to the assembling of such a workshop for the purpose of stimulating and coordinating planning ideas. There being no further business, the meeting adjourned to a meeting to be held July 24, 1969. Chairman