03.03.94A G E N D A
HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD
Meeting March 3, 1994
City Hall
City Commission Conference Room
300 N. Park Avenue
Sanford, Florida
5:00 P.M.
I. Call to Order and Roll Call
II. Excused /Unexcused Absences
III. Approval of Minutes
a) February 3, 1994
b) February 17, 1994
IV. Application for Certificate of Appropriateness
a) Fence at 217 South Oak Avenue
(previously tabled)
b) Signs at 215 South Oak Avenue
c) Changes to the Building at 301 E. 5th Street
d) Painting the House at 500 Palmetto Avenue
e) Changes to the House at 520.5. oak Avenue
f) Fence at 207 East 11th Street
V. Discussion regarding City Staff handling
certain levels of Applications for Certificate
of Appropriateness for the Residential
Historic District
VI. Discussion regarding the Budget
for fiscal year 1994/95
VII. Other Business
a) Code Enforcement - All members are
encouraged to turn in potential code
violations in writing to Penny Turner at
the close of the meeting.
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M I N U T E S
HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING
March 3, 1994
5:00 P.M.
City Commission Conference Room
City Hall, Sanford, Florida
Members Present:
Kevin Stubbs, Chairman
Cal Conklin
Jerry Mills
Monte Olinger'
Members Absent:
Elizabeth Simons
Laura Sollien
Helen Stairs
Laura Straehla
Altermese Bentley
Chris Cranias
Others In Attendance:
011ie Williams
Russ Gibson, City Liaison
Jay Marder, Director of Planning & Development
Penny Turner, Secretary
The Meeting was called to order by the Chairman, Kevin Stubbs, at
5:05 P.M.
The Board recognized Altermese Bentley's and 011ie Williams'
absences as excused.
Helen Stairs moved to approve the Minutes of February 3, 1994 and
the Minutes of February 17, 1994. Seconded by Laura Straehla and
carried by unanimous vote.
Dr. William B. Sherman, Jr., submitted an Application for
Certificate of Appropriateness to put a chain link fence around the
parking area at 217 South Oak Avenue. This application was.
previously tabled at the February 17, 1994, Meeting to allow
members to go and see where the fence is located. A representative
for this application was not present.
Mr. Johnny Knowles, associated with Tri- County Sheet Metal,
requested to be heard regarding the application for the fence at
217 South Oak Avenue. He is not.representing the application but
representing the owner of the building next door. He explained
that when Mr. Michael Moniz rented 215 South Oak Avenue and was
using that parking lot on occasion. Dr. Sherman did not disapprove
until the property was paved and then requested they pay a fee of
$150 a month for use of the parking lot. The chain link fence is
6ft high and on the property line and.it extends past the building
at 215 South Oak and makes it impossible to open two windows, which
is the only ventilation for the building. Mr. Knowles feels that
the fence is unsightly and inappropriate for the area and feels
that it should be torn down.
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Mr. Conklin recommended that the Board should notify Dr. Sherman
and ask him to come to a meeting to discuss this issue. Ms.
Sollien expressed her concern that the.drawing submitted for the
Board's review is not what is actually at the. site. The chain link
fence goes all the way across the asphalt, there is no chain link
fence in the back, nor on the side. It does not appear to protect
the building, it does not protect or secure cars because there is
an entrance at the front of.the building. It looks like.there is
a fence in the middle of asphalt for no specific reason. She
stated from an aesthetic point of view and for the Board's purposes
to improve the Historic.District it is an eye sore.
Mr. Stubbs explained for the record that this property falls within
the Commercial Downtown Guidelines and in guidelines. under
Site Elements and Fences it, states "the use of fences is
discouraged within the district except to. provide for public
safety. If fences are necessary, they should be constructed of
materials which were historically used such as brick or wood. The
use of new or modern materials which were not used historically,
such as chain link fencing, is discouraged."
Monte Olinger moved to deny the Application for Certificate of
Appropriateness to put a chain link fence around the parking area
at 217 South Oak Avenue based on the Design Guidelines for New
Construction in the Downtown Commercial Historic. District of
Sanford Florida, the Board discourages the use of chain link fences
and requires that the fence be taken down: The Board further
objects that the fence was constructed without a_ Building. Permit or
a Certificate of Appropriateness from this Board. Seconded by
Laura S.ollien and carried by unanimous vote.
Johnny Knowles,. representing Tri- County Sheet Metal, was present
and submitted an Application for Certificate of Appropriateness to
request approval of the changes made to the existing.signs on the
building at 215 South Oak .Avenue. The signs originally said
"Steinmeyer" and was changed to read "Tri - County" using the same
type of lettering style.
Discussion was held regarding signs that are changed must come into
compliance with the Sign Regulations in the Downtown Commercial
Historic District. Wall signs for single tenant occupancy shall
be limited to one (1) per space and shall not exceed 30 in height
and 50% of the primary frontage of the building. In the Design
Guidelines for the Downtown Commercial District freestanding signs
are strongly discouraged.
Several members indicated that they did not want to create a
hardship for this business and is inclined to allow them to keep
the freestanding sign but the wall sign needs to be reduced to come
in compliance with the sign regulations.
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Jerry Mills made a motion to leave the freestanding sign as is, but
only for this particular owner, if the building or the business
changes hands the Board will have the capability of going back to
look at it again prior to anything being changed. He further moved
that the "Tri- County Sheet Metal" wall sign be reduced to a size
that is appropriate to the Sign Regulations 'in the Downtown
Commercial Historic District, which is 6' 8 in length and no more
than 30" in height. Seconded by Monte Olinger and under discussion
Laura Straehla requested that an addendum be made to the motion
that the Board recommends /encourages that the freestanding sign be
removed since the guidelines discourage freestanding signs in the
district. Mr. Mills stated he approved of the addendum. Laura
Sollien requested the motion be modified to require the
freestanding sign be lowered not to exceed 5ft above the ground.
Motion was carried by unanimous vote.
Mr. Knowles expressed his feeling on why he felt Sanford is dying.
He felt that a businessman comes to Sanford and tries to open and
operate a small business at a profit and the City inundates him
with licenses, inspections, and harassment.
Mr. Mills explained to Mr. Knowles that other cities in the nation
such as Savanna, Charleston, New Orleans, and Atlanta have much
stricter requirements than the City of .Sanford. Mr. Mills stated
that he believes that this Board works harder and more with the
people in the Commercial Historic District to try and change and
avoid such rumor /image that the Board is against businesses.
Mr. Conklin indicated that if Mr. Knowles was not pleased with the
action that this Board took, he had a recourse to go to the City
Commission. Mr. Stubbs stated appeals go directly to the City
Commission and informed Mr. Knowles he can Contact Penny Turner at
the City of Sanford to find out what steps to take to go through
the appeal process.
Charles M. Cameron was present and submitted an Application for
Certificate of Appropriateness to do the following to the building
at 301 East Fifth Street:
1) Replace damaged and missing screens
2) build a handicapped ramp
3) paint the building white and the trim and screen frames
green (existing colors)
4) Pave handicapped parking space and walk as per
requirements of Sanford Planning & Zoning Plan approval.
5) Paint existing metal roof
The Board informed Mr. Cameron that the site plans have been
approved by Planning and Zoning, therefore this board has no
jurisdiction over the site plans.
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Discussion was held regarding repairing and replacing of the
screens. The windows on the front of the building are currently
aluminum windows and the ones on the side and back of the building
are the original wood sash windows. Mr. Cameron has hung security
bars and mounted the screens wider than the window onto the window
casings for uniformity and appearance. He is planning to paint the
aluminum screens the same color as the trim.
The Board explained to Mr. Cameron that aluminum is not approved
material under the Architectural Regulations Schedule S of the Land
Development Regulations for the City of Sanford. The Board is not
only concerned in the appearance but the integrity of the building
in order to preserve and protect the historic structures.
Discussion of tabling the screen issue for two weeks in order to
allow members the chance to look at the actual configuration of the
bars in relationship to the windows.
Jerry Mills made a motion to table the question of the damage and
missing screens until the March 17, 1994, Meeting. He further
moved to approve building a wood handicapped ramp, painting the
building white with the green trim, painting the existing metal
roof the aluminum color and indicated that the issue of the paving
of the handicapped parking space is non -issue so does not require
voting. Seconded by Helen Stairs and carried by unanimous vote.
Martha Wells submitted an Application for Certificate of
Appropriateness to paint the building at,500 Palmetto Avenue. The
proposed paint selection is Brown Rose for the major portion of the
building, Porcelain for the trim and Rockport Blue for the
highlights. Applicant was not present.
Monte Olinger made a motion to approve the Application for
Certificate of Appropriateness to paint the building at 500
Palmetto Avenue as proposed. Seconded by Laura Straehla and
carried by unanimous vote.
The Application for Certificate of. Appropriateness submitted by
Robert and Kimberlyn Witt to replace the siding and windows on the
building at 520 South Oak Avenue was tabled. The applicants had
purchased aluminum windows but then found out that the
Architectural Regulations do not allow aluminum windows. They were
able to find the wood windows which match the original portion of
the building but these windows will not be in for approximately
four weeks. They will come back before the Board at a later date.
Rachel Cheek submitted an Application for Certificate of
Appropriateness to construct a picket fence at 207 East filth
Street.
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Ms. Sollien stated there is a problem with the City's setback
requirements. The fence is currently over the easement on the
curb. The Architectural Regulations Schedule S, of the Land
Development Regulations require that fences be on the property
line. The proposed material, spaces of the pickets and the height
of the fence meets the special standards but does not meet the
standards requiring it to be on the property line.
Cal Conklin moved to approve the picket fence with the condition
that it be moved back to the property line behind the sidewalk.
Seconded by Helen Stairs and under discussion Mr. Conklin amended
his motion to approve the white picket fence with the condition
that the fence be moved back behind the sidewalk to the property
line and the work be completed within three (3) months and if it is
not done with in that period of time it will automatically go to
Code Enforcement. Laura Sollien seconded the amended motion and
carried by unanimous vote.
Discussion was held regarding City Staff handling certain levels of
Applications for Certificates of Appropriateness for the
Residential Historic District. Mr. Stubbs and Mrs. Straehla are
currently working on this and will report to the Board at the March
17, 1994, Meeting.
Discussion regarding the Budget for fiscal year 1994/95 was tabled
until the March 17, 1994, Meeting.. .
Under other business Robert and Remdiaos Rutledge explained to the
Board that they had just heard of the special codes for the
residential district and understood that the Board meets twice a
month and that applications have to be submitted one week prior to
the meeting date. The Board's next meeting is scheduled for March
17, 1994 and they are in need to have their roof repaired. The
roof at 508 Myrtle is leaking and they cannot pull a permit to
repair until they receive approval through this Board. This is an
emergency situation they are replacing the existing fiberglass
shingles with beige colored fiberglass shingles.
Laura Sollien moved to approve that two (2) members of the Board
and Russ Gibson as City Staff meet for an interim approval on an
emergency basis for the Application for Certificate of
Appropriateness to replace the roof on the building at 508 Myrtle
Avenue. Seconded by Laura Straehla and carried by unanimous vote.
There being no further business before the Board, the meeting was
adjourned at 6:40 P.M.
Respectfully submitted by: Penny Turner