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08.08.96AGENDA HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD Meeting August 8, 1996 City Hall City Commission Conference Room 300 N. Park Avenue Sanford, FL 4:30 p.m. I. Call to Order and Roll Call II. Excused / Unexcused Absences III. Approval of Minutes July 11, 1996 IV. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness COMMERCIAL a) 114 W. First Street (Welaka Bldg.) - Exterior Modifications b) 210 S. Park Avenue - Install stop /street signs & bench V. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness RESIDENTIAL a). 318 Palmetto Avenue - Exterior modifications b) 705 Magnolia Avenue - Approve completed stucco job c) 1200 Oak Avenue - Replace jalousie windows with wood windows - d) 801 Elm Avenue - Exterior modifications VI. Acknowledgement of Minor Review Committee Actions a) 212 N. Park Avenue - Lettering on door b) 1007 Park Avenue - Exterior paint c) 601 Magnolia Avenue - Exterior paint d) 1 109 Park Avenue - Install rain gutters e) 305 Park Avenue - Install fence and exterior paint VII. Funding Requests VIII. Certified Local Government Program (CLG) IX. Main Street Minutes X. Other Business ADVICE TO THE - PUBLIC: If a person decides to appeal a decision made with respect to any matter considered at the above meeting or hearing, he /she may need a verbatim record of the proceedings, including the testimony and evidence, which record is not provided by the City of Sanford (FS 286.0105). Persons with disabilities needing assistance to participate in any of these proceedings should contact the Personnel Office ADA Coordinator at 330 -5626 48 hours in advance of the meeting. MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD CITY COMMISSION CONFERENCE ROOM CITY HALL August 8, 1996 4:30 P.M. Call to Order and Roll Call: The meeting was called to order by Jerry Mills at 4:30 P.M. MEMB ERS PRESENT: Chris Cranias Don Moore Scott Singeisen Julia Goeb Kimberly Capucille Jerry Mills OTHERS PRESENT: Andrew VanGaale, Staff Liaison Marion Anderson, Recording Secretary 11. MEMBERS ABSENT: Helen Stairs Paul Porter Michael Skat Sue Mitchell Laura Sollien 111. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Mr. Moore requested that the following changes be made to the Minutes: Paragraph V - note that the applicant agreed to "concrete block "; Page 2, paragraph b - add "the house" to the end of the next to the last sentence; Paragraph d - regarding Mr. VanGaale's concern about slits. Mr. VanGaale stated that if it was.just a piece of aluminum, it wouldn't have any depth or might be a couple of millimeters, what is in there now is like a 1x4. Mr. Moore recommended that slit be changed to slat; Page 4 - bottom paragraph - Mr. Moore stated that it is important that the record shows that Mr Rowe admitted the authorship of the letter in question. Page, 5 - second paragraph - Mr. Moore wanted to know who "we" is in the second line of this paragraph; Page 5 - fourth paragraph, Mr. Moore asked if the word is "bent" vs. vent. Mr. Moore moved for approval of the Minutes as amended. Seconded by .Mr. Singeisen. All in favor. Motion carried. * It should be noted that what is "said ", without any interpretation, is written into the Minutes. Any clarifications should be made at time of statement. IV. APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS: COMMERCIAL: a) 114 W. First Street (Welaka Bldg.) - Exterior Modifications: Chuck Mitchell, representing the owner, and Stephen Cold were present. Mr. Cold stated that a right -of -way use request has been added to this application. He stated that they intend to develop the alleyway that is in the inside elbow of the building as an entrance that could be used from the public parking area. Mr. Cold stated that modifications to the building include the addition of mullions on the windows on the northend of the building, and on the east, the portion of the building addressing the parking lot. There are three windows that they would like to open up that were closed off. The awnings on 1st Street will be repaired and continued along Oak Avenue. The wooden windows will be MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF AUGUST 8, 1996 PAGE 2 repaired, not replacbd. The three new windows that are going in will be wood. Mr. Cranias moved for approval. Seconded by Mr. Moore. All in favor. Motion carried. b) 210 S. Park Avenue - Install stop /street signs and bench: Ms. Goeb moved to approve. Seconded by Ms. .Capucille. All in favor. Motion carried. V. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness:. Residential: a) 318 Palmetto Avenue - Exterior Modifications: Dennis Aagaard was present for representation. He stated that this building will remain a 9 unit apartment building. Mr. Mills asked if the owner would be willing to open the porch on the first floor. Mr. Aagaard stated that he did not think the owner would do this because of economics. Mr. Mills stated that if the porch is not opened, his recommendation would be for the recessed alcove (as it is now, the original door, frame and side lights are all still there) that the door itself be removed and stored, but not thrown away, kept with the house, until someone can tell if its original material or not, and then at the very front, put in a new door and frame so historical material will not be removed. Mr. Aagaard feels that the owner will be agreeable to this. He also stated that he feels the owner will be agreeable to filling the porch in on the second floor with fixed glass, column to column. Mr. Moore moved on approval of the request as submitted with the proposed changes. Seconded by Ms. Capucille. All in favor. Motion carried. b) 705 Magnolia Avenue - Approve completed stucco job: Mr. Mills noted that the original stucco on the exterior of this building was a rock dash stucco which is something that is not being done anymore. He stated that he was sincerely not in a mode to force somebody, who has already done what they've done, at the expense that it would take and most likely the historic material that is underneath is destroyed, to remove the newly applied stucco. Mr. Mills stated that what he had mentioned to Mr. VanGaale was that perhaps, and it does need to be further researched because just sending it to Code Enforcement is not the correct solution, that when the economic costs are so high to try to return something back to the way it was, when they've already done it against our approval, and those costs are so high that we know its not going to happen, that we have a monetary penalty of some sort that could be encumbered on the property, a lien against the property or whatever, that would be paid to the City as some sort of discouragement to people in the future. There are so many times that the Board receives applications where people have already done the work. If its great work fine, but still come to this Board first and there probably would be no penalty at all; but if its bad work the Board really can't, in good conscience, ask them to remove it. This Board, at least, would have something of a back -up indicating that it is not going to tell them to take it off but that they are going to be monetarily penalized for it. He asked if Mr. VanGaale could research this and have it on the Agenda for next month. Mr. Mills stated that the point MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF AUGUST 8, 1996 PAGE 3 is that it wouldn't to to Code Enforcement but stay here with this Board. Mr. Moore stated that he is violently opposed to the Board getting into the fines business. Mr. VanGaale stated he did not want to see this turn into an incentive for someone to redo everything with cheap material and say that they will pay a fine to HPB which would be cheaper than doing the work correctly. -Mr. Moore stated that if the City Commission overturns a decision of the Board, whether he likes it personally or not, thats the way the system is suppose to work. He stated that he doesn't believe that this Board should be in the enforcement business. Code .Enforcement was created partially for this sort of thing. Mr. Mills stated that he didn't think the Board would actually be enforcing but that it would have a clause. Mr. Moore stated that the Board would have the authority to levy a fine and collect it and issue a lien. Mr. Mills suggested that for 705 Magnolia., not to deny but not to approve either and let it go because of the economic disincentive for trying to have the applicant take it back to the original stucco finish; but have some sort of wording that the Board feels that it has been violated or something. He stated that the Board does have the capability of denying it simply because the applicant did not do as the original' Certificate of Appropriateness stated and that the Board will, in good conscience, accept the job as it is. Mr. Mills stated that if denied, he really didn't want to state that the Board feels the applicant needs to take it off and try to do another rock dash stucco finish. Ms. Capucille moved to deny because it is not as originally accepted, it does not conform to the original Certificate of Appropriateness, that the Board cannot accept the job as it is, and that the Board is, not recommending that the stucco be removed and replaced. Seconded by Ms. Goeb. Mr. Mills suggested.that the Code Enforcement Board have a representative at our next meeting to discuss what type of fine could be .levied. Mr. Mills suggested that the motion to deny be amended to include that the Board recognizes that the economic impact of replacing the stucco system as applied, is too great to make the replacement and that the Board does however, feel that this person should be fined. Mr. Moore suggested to table this item until the next meeting with the proviso that Mr. Marder and Mr. Rowe, or whoever is responsible for Code Enforcement, discuss this and join us at the next meeting to see what City Staff can do with this thing. Mr. Mills stated that if we do what we're doing, there is a very good chance that they will be here anyway. We've got more leverage doing it this way than if we just tabled it and suggest that they be here. Ms. Capucille amended her motion as Mr. Mills suggested with the inclusion that it would be cost prohibitive to remove the stucco application as installed; and that the Board does believe that some sort of fine should be levied against the owner for disregarding the original Certificate of Appropriateness. Mr. Moore was in opposition to the motion. All others in favor. Motion carried. c) 1200 Oak Avenue - Replace Jalousie Windows with Wood Windows: Ms. Goeb moved to approve. Seconded by Ms. Capucille. All in favor. Motion carried. 1 MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF AUGUST 8, 1996 PAGE 4 d) 801 Elm Avenue -"Exterior Modifications: Richard and Athena Heddinger were present. Mr. Heddinger stated that he would be re -using existing materials. Ms. Capucille moved to approve. Seconded by Mr. Singeisen. All in favor. Motion carried. VI. Acknowledgement of Minor Review Committee Actions: Mr. Mills requested that Mr. VanGaale check into the painting at 711 Park Avenue. Mr. Cranias moved to approve the decisions of the Minor Review Committee. Seconded by Ms. Capucille. All in favor. Motion carried. VII. Funding Requests: Mr. VanGaale stated that there was a $2000 funding request from the Ritz Theater for the restoration of the marquee. Kay Bartholomew stated that this is an eyesore and it is getting a little dangerous. Ms. Goeb stated that for the Historic Trust, the one project is a joint project with HPB to get the Section S documents into the hands of all the residents and the other projects are in conjunction with Mainstreet and others involved in the Walking Tour. Mr. VanGaale requested that if the Board donates any money to the Trust, that it be actively involved in developing the brochures. Mr. Moore volunteered to be the liaison between HPB and the Trust. Mr. Moore asked if it was appropriate for this Board to spend $2000 out of its budget, which was not a line item, on top of the $25,000 that the City has already put into Mainstreet. Mr. VanGaale stated that he would say it was appropriate but cautioned everyone that a trend is beginning that the Board is becoming a funding source for other groups and that this is not the Board's mission. The more requests are made, the less there will be for administration. Mr. Mills stated that this item needs to be placed on an agenda for discussions of our philosophy of whether or not our funding is really meant to be•used as funding for projects. Mr. VanGaale suggested that in the future, the $6000 budgeted would be used for administration and that the Board would request an additional $2000 to $4000 for this purpose only. Ms. Capucille moved to donate $1000 to the Ritz, $1000 to Mainstreet's sign program, and $1000 to the Historic Trust. Seconded by Ms. Goeb. All in favor. Motion carried. Mr. VanGaale noted that this would have to be approved by City Commission. VIII. Certified Local Government Program (CLG): Mr. VanGaale stated that this was initiated a year ago primarily for the local rehab tax credit. We will go ahead and try to get certified for grant money to update our site files, etc. IX: Main Street Minutes: Mr. Mills requested that if there are any comments regarding this item, that they be held until the next meeting. There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 6:30 P.M.