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02.13.97AGENDA HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD Meeting February 13, 1997 City Hall City Commission Conference Room 300 N. Park Avenue Sanford, FL 4:30 p.m. I. Call to Order and Roll Call II. Excused / Unexcused Absences III. Approval of Minutes January 9, 1997 IV. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness COMMERCIAL a) 201 W. First Street - Enclose Doorway with Glass to Match Existing V. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness RESIDENTIAL a) 422 Palmetto Avenue (Previously Tabled) - Demolish House b) 815 Elm Avenue - Install 12'x21' Carport in Rear Yard c) 703 Oak Avenue - Construct Wood Canopy Over Back Door & Install Fascia Board d) 1019 Magnolia Avenue - Install Lattice Trellis and Landscaping e) 901 Magnolia Avenue - Install Swimming Pool and Remove Shed f) 410 Magnolia Avenue (Holy Cross Episcopal Church) - Enclose Garage Doors VI. Acknowledgment of Minor Review Committee Actions a) 909 Magnolia Avenue - Paint b) 1307 Park Avenue - Install privacy fence along alley c) 507 Oak Avenue - Ordinary maintenance d) 618 Oak Avenue - Install picket fence e) 1103 Oak Avenue - Replace jalousie windows with fixed glass f) 801 Elm Avenue - Reroof with tin g) 101 W. First Street - Lettering on door and window VII. Letter of Appreciation from the Florida Trust for Historic Preservation VIII. Other Business ADVICE TO THE PUBLIC: If a person decides to appeal a decision made with respect to any matter considered at the above meeting or hearing, he/she may need a verbatim record of the proceedings, including the testimony and evidence, which record is not provided by the City of Sanford (FS 286.0105). Persons with disabilities needing assistance to participate in any of these proceedings should contact the Personnel Office ADA Coordinator at 330 -5626 48 hours in advance of the meeting. MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD CITY COMMISSION CONFERENCE ROOM CITY HALL FEBRUARY 13, 1997 4:30 P.M. I. Call to Order and Roll Call: The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Laura Sollien at 4:30 P.M. MEMBERS PRESENT: Laura Sollien Kimberly Kmett Michael Skat Jerry Mills Barbara Farrell Don Moore Scott Singeisen II. MEMBERS ABSENT: Helen Stairs - excused Jerry Gross - excused Julia Goeb Sica Nacu OTHERS PRESENT: Andrew VanGaale, Associate Planner Marion Anderson, Recording Secretary III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Mr. Moore moved to approve as circulated. Seconded by Mr. Skat. All in favor. Motion carried. IV. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness: Commercial: 201 W. First Street - Enclose Doorway with Glass to Match Existing: Billy Brumley, Shoemaker Construction, and Tom Stevenson, Paulucci Enterprises, were present for representation. He requested to change the storefront and move it out flush with the building. Paint to be the same color. Mr. Mills moved to approve. Seconded by Mr. Singeisen. All in favor. Motion carried. V. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness: Residential: 422 Palmetto Avenue (Previously Tabled) - Demolish House: Joy Lewis was present. Mr. Mills asked what happens to the house. Ms. Lewis stated that they are requesting to demolish the house. She presented a sketch of what they would do with the property if demolition is approved. Mr. Mills asked if they were willing to give the house to someone. She stated that they would be more than happy to just give it away, but the fact was brought up that, someone here had suggested that it was not in good enough condition to be moved. Mr. Skat stated that he didn't think it would be that difficult of a move because the house is relatively low and small. Mr. Mills stated that the additions could be taken off of it. Ms. Sollien asked if they had tried to sell the property. Ms. Lewis stated that the members of the church don't want to sell the property because it is property that they want to hold on to for the youth. There is a lot of youth at the church. The daycare can bring the youth across to use the property. The design shows a volleyball court in the center. It is designed so that the posts can be removed. The property is basically to be used as a recreational area, even for neighborhood kids. There is the possibility of benches where anybody could sit. MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF FEBRUARY 13, 1997 PAGE 2 Mr. VanGaale stated that he had checked on the zoning if the Church wanted to make this a parking lot. It would be permitted, however, the City would require site plan review. This could either be done at Staff level or at Planning and Zoning Commission level. There are standards that may apply to this area. Mr. Moore questioned whether the parking lot idea has been abandoned. Ms.. Lewis stated that this idea had been brought up previously and that was denied. The church is not planning to use it as a parking lot, it would be more of a recreational area for the youth of the church. Mr. Mills stated that it seems that this request has been here three or four times before and his position is not going to change. It is a historic structure. A very, very old historic structure. The house will continue to deteriorate if no one does anything about it. He believes that the house can be restored and no one is trying to do that at all. This house is in one of the blocks that were constructed by James Ingram commissioned by General Henry Shelton Sanford to help upgrade the neighborhood and help sell properties in this area. James Ingram built a number of houses on this particular block and Mr. Mills believes that this may be one of the houses. Ms. Lewis stated that this house had been a one -room school room and additions have been added onto it over the years. She stated that she doesn't know the stance on whether the additions could be taken off because the original structure was just the one room. The church is not financially able to restore it as any kind of a historic site. This would be a great deal of money. She stated that they are in an area where they can not grow very much and unfortunately, for any church, they always reach for growth in reaching out to the community. She stated that her church is unable to do that because they don't have the facilities, they can't build on the church, they can't build more parking spaces. The church has worked with the banks and they let the church . use their parking areas, on Sundays, and they transport people back and forth with a van. As far as restoring, that was never the intention. The church would like to have used the house and have staff members possibly live there. Mr. Moore stated that he had looked at the house and thinks most of the damage is superficial, certainly repairable. The front porch roof is drywall, someone can tear it down, and patch the roof above it. The rear damage can be repaired. He asked what was the church's original intent in buying the house and when did they buy it. Ms. Lewis was not sure but she would be happy to take any of the Board Members to look at the flooring and inside structure of the house. There is a very narrow stairway that goes from the main building up to a loft that can't be used because they don't want the children in there. The whole structure of the building is unsafe. Ms. Sollien stated that the purpose of this Board is to try and save these old structures. She feels a real obligation to this. Some members on this Board has completed houses that were in worst condition than this house. She stated that she don't think anyone is MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF FEBRUARY 13, 1997 PAGE 3 disputing the fact that the church doesn't want to do anything with it because it would be an expensive undertaking. However, when a historic structure is removed, it is removed forever from the community and part of history goes with it, and no one is allowed, who might want to buy this house and fix it up, because it is gone. Ms. Sollien stated that our Board is here to protect these older houses. It does put a hardship on the church, but the church should start looking for other options. Perhaps, selling the property, putting it on the market, giving it away, allowing somebody else to do something constructive with it so that there would be a nice building next to the church that enhances the neighborhood rather than just something that is run down. She stated that she is not inclined to vote to destroy the structure, she couldn't in good conscience, do it. Ms. Lewis asked, she doesn't know if the church would even want to do this, can the attachments that have been added on be removed since the one main building is the only historic part. Mr. Mills stated that he thinks they can be. Mr. Skat stated that under the T1 -11 there is lap siding. He asked if the Church is in need of money and things, why wouldn't they want to sell this property. The property next door has just been sold. Ms. Lewis stated that it is not that the church is in need of the money, its just that the church doesn't have money to put into restoring a structure like this. This is where the problem comes in because the church has an operating budget. Everything keeps going up. Ms. Lewis stated that her recommendation to the Board of Trustees will be that there is no choice but to sell the property. Mr. Mills moved to deny. Seconded by Mr. Skat. Mr. Skat made the applicant aware of the appeal process to the City Commission within 30 days. All. in favor. Motion carried. 815 Elm Avenue - Install 12 Carport in Rear Yard: Mr. Mills stated that it is obvious that the house has been maintained and obvious that they park at the angle that is shown in the drawings. He moved to deny based on the aluminum material. Seconded by Ms. Farrell. Mr. Skat asked where the City stands on tent like structures that are not bolted to the ground. Mr. Mills stated that the City would not let Choo Choo Car Wash put one in without having some kind of mechanical connection between that and the ground and prove through structural calculations that it would withstand certain wind loads. Mr. Mills stated that this appears to be a temporary structure. Mr. Skat stated that he wasn't in favor of this structure and that it is obvious that it is their attempt to get their cars our of the elements. Mr. Moore stated that it would be hiddened and only seen from the alley. Mr. Mills stated that part of Duany's Code was that the alleyways were to eventually become more of people -ways, become more visible even though their not on the street, like secondary streets. Being in the alleyway does not mean that something is out of sight. Mr. Moore opposed. All others in favor. Motion carried. 703 Oak Avenue - Construct Wood Canopy Over Back Door & Install Fascia Board: Mr. Mills asked what roofing MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF FEBRUARY 13, 1997 PAGE 4 materials are to be used, the application says wood canopy. Mr. Mills moved to approve primarily because the addition that is there is a later addition and he doesn't think there is going to be any damage to any historic materials and it is being done to help keep the weather out, and the material should match the rest of the house. Seconded by Mr. Skat. All in favor. Motion carried. 1019 Magnolia Avenue - Install Lattice Trellis and Landscaping: Barbara Bowman was present. The trellis will be 8' tall and 12' wide. Mr. Moore moved on approval. Seconded by Mr. Mills. All in favor. Motion carried. 901 Magnolia Avenue - Install swimming Pool and Remove Shed: Mr. VanGaale stated that the applicants want to remove the shed and eventually rebuild something in the other corner. This is not a contributing garage. Mr. Mills moved to approve the pool in a different configuration and retain the shed. He stated that he would be willing to meet with the applicants and talk to them with some ideas of saving the shed and a different configuration with the pool. Mr. Skat seconded. Mr. Moore in opposition. All others in favor. Motion carried. 410 Magnolia Avenue (Holy Cross Episcopal Church) - Enclose Garage Doors: Bob & Betty Sonnenberg were present. Mr. Sonnenberg stated that this is a 3 -car garage with 3 metal doors. They would like to enclose the middle metal door to the block, and close the first metal door, next to the alley. They would like to install a 42" metal door. Inside there will be a walk -in freezer. Mr. Mills moved to approve. Seconded by Mr. Skat. All in favor. Motion carried. VI. Acknowledgement of Minor Review Committee Actions: Mr. Skat moved to acknowledge the actions of the Minor Review Committee. Seconded by Ms. Kmett. All in favor. Motion carried. VII. The Board acknowledged the Letter of Appreciation from the Florida Trust for Historic Preservation. VIII. Other Business: Mr. Mills requested that Staff find out exactly when the Board approved changes at 811 Oak Avenue. Mr. Skat stated that he has concerns about the money that the Board gave to the Trust. He feels the mailings were unsuccessful due to the fact that he talked to so many people who either didn't get it or like he got his at his new address. The mailings should have been attached to the homes instead of the owners. He heard that there was money left over and the Trust decided to apply it to something else within the Trust. His feeling is that this money is this Board's money, its tax payers money and it should have been brought back to this Board. The Walking Tour Brochure that they were going to do has been put on hold for a long time. He has a problem with this. Mr. Skat stated that this should be looked into and that this Board should not give money to anyone anymore. The money is in our Budget for educational purposes. MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF FEBRUARY 13, 1997 PAGE 5 Ms. Sollien stated that what we did was trust the group that we gave the money to, and this group was to apply the money appropriately, we trusted that this was the amount that they needed. We could have done it so that we paid the bills, you do it, you send us the bills. Mr. Mills agreed with Mr. Skat stating that this is a volunteer board. The whole purpose of budget money in the first place was to do additional studies, to bring in more district area, to bring in land mark structures. In general, to expand the historic preservation area that we have and not to be a funding pool. Ms. Sollien stated that that particular mailing is something that we have always wanted to do and something that we had talked about as a Board spending our own money to do it. When the Trust came forward with the idea that they would do it for us in conjunction, it seemed like a reasonable function to give our money to. We had a direct interest in this. The fact that it has turned out this way is extremely disappointing and the fact that the money has not been spent on the Walking Tour Brochure, she doesn't think it is too late to request some accountability. Mr. Moore stated that the Trust collated, printed, and mailed it. The only thing that the Trust hasn't done, and we didn't ask them to, is account for the detail of the expenditures. Mr. Moore stated that he was against giving them the money and thinks the Board should never again give money away for this type of purpose because it is tax payers money and it is not given to us to redistribute. Ms. Sollien suggested that the Board request for accountability for the money and also request accountability for the Walking Tour Brochure. Ms. Farrell stated that she volunteered for the Walking Tour Brochure and things move slowly with volunteers. She stated that if the money had been pledged, that would have been fine. Money wasn't needed up to this point because there is nothing to put money out for yet. Ms. Sollien suggested that if there are any left over monies, we can request that that money be used for future mailings for new people in the District. There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 5:30 P.M.