11.12.98AGENDA
HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD
Meeting November 12, 1998
Sanford City Hall
City Commission Chambers
300 N. Park Avenue
Sanford, FL
4:30 p.m.
I. Call to Order and Roll Call
II. Excused/Unexcused Absences
III. Approval of Minutes - October 1998
IV. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness - Commercial
a) 201 South Park Avenue - Install Satellite Dish on Roof
V. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness - Residential
a) 510 Palmetto Avenue - (Previously Tabled) Replace Metal Windows with
Wood Windows
b) Hwy 17 &92 & 2 "d Street (Burger King) - Revised Elevations and Site Plan -
(Plans will be available at meeting for review)
c) 515 Myrtle Avenue - Install Driveway
d) 1313 Park Avenue - Modify Garage Exterior, Expand Driveway and Parking
Area, Install Sign
VI. Acknowledgment of Minor Review / Staff Review Actions
a) 1101 Oak Avenue - Paint Exterior
b) 715 Myrtle Avenue - Paint Exterior
c) 1217 Oak Avenue - Construct Ground Level Wood Deck in Rear
d) 720 Park Avenue - Repair 5 Windows
e) 110 West 2 "d Street - Relocate Fire Escape
VH. Other Business
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MEETING OF NOVEMBER 12, 1998
4:30 P.M.
CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS
CITY HALL, SANFORD, FLORIDA
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Scott Singeisen
Kimberly Kmett
Fred Rogers
Julia Goeb
Barbara Farrell
Don Moore
Walt Padgett
Sica Nacu
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Jerry Gross - excused
Laura Sollien- excused
Eline Ransom - excused
OTHERS PRESENT:
Andrew Van Gaale, Staff Liaison
Marion Anderson, Recording Secretary
Bill Kirchhoff
Brady Lessard
Rick Bowles
Gary Hardman
Hamid Pakniat
Barbara Umholtz
Mr. Singeisen called the meeting to order at 4:30 P.M.
Regarding the Minutes, Mr. Singeisen stated that he has a couple
of questions regarding Page 2, first full paragraph,
clarification as to Ms. Goeb seconding the motion, she also
opposed it, and asked if this is allowed. Fourth and second
paragraph from the bottom, it says Lon Howell and Clare Delano,
if this could be noted as citizen participation, it not being
very clear. The last paragraph states Roy Zimmer, etc. stated
that he has someone that would like to move the house, and this
came out of nowhere because there wasn't any discussion regarding
a house up until that paragraph and theres nothing that says who
asked about a house or which house. Second from the last full
paragraph, it reads in opposition were Mr. Singeisen, Ms.
Farrell, Ms. Ransom, he wasn't sure if it was in opposition to
the motion and not Ms. Ransom's suggestion. It almost reads as
though we're in opposition to Ms. Ransom's suggestion and not the
motion itself. He didn't know if this was clear to everyone.
(The Recording Secretary is not clear if changes are requested to
the Minutes).
Mr. Rogers moved to approve the Minutes. Seconded by Ms.
Farrell. All in favor. Motion carried.
First on the Agenda was an Application for a Certificate of
Appropriateness - Commercial, 201 South Park Avenue - Install
satellite dish on roof.
Bill Kirchhoff, 2044 Hibiscus Court, stated that they needed the
satellite dish for satellite communications to the home office in
St. Louis. The roof is the best location. If it is down on the
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ground, its 'going to be very visible to people driving around in
the Historic District. Mr. Kirchhoff stated that he would like
to have the dish 6' (1.8 meters) installed on December 2 11 d.
Mr. Kirchhoff stated that the roof has a parapit around it and it
has a slope. The dish will .sit on the eastern side of the roof
facing to the west. It will be visible but not standing high up
in the air. It will be mounted on the roof with a rubber pad and
concrete blocks.
Ms. Nacu moved to approve. Seconded by Mr. Padgett. All in
favor. Motion carried.
The next item on the Agenda was a request for a Certificate of
Appropriateness - residential- 510 Palmetto Avenue - replace
metal windows with wood windows.
Ms. Kmett moved to remove the item from the table. Seconded by
Ms. Farrell. All in favor. Motion carried.
Brady Lessard, 1109 Magnolia Avenue, stated.that he had met with
Mr. Moore and Mr. Singeisen at the site and stated that he and
Mr. Singeisen discussed what he needed to bring in and that
amounted to a toned down version of what was originally applied
for. Questions were related to the fixed windows. He stated
that there won't be any fixed windows on the back as well ason
the west and east sides of the house, which was on the original
application.
Ms. Goeb moved to approve as requested. Seconded by Ms. Kmett.
All in favor. Motion carried.
Next on the Agenda was a request for revised elevations and site
plan - Hwy 17 &92 & 21 Street (Burger King).
Rick Bowles stated that they had met with Mr. Rogers, Mr.
Singeisen, and Mr. Van Gaale to discuss some ideas to give this
building more of an appearance that would compliment the
neighborhood. The roof will be metal and 8' in height and have
gables on all four sides. There will be 3' of clap board siding
above grade, continuously around the building and up in each of
the gable areas. Below the clap board from 3' down to grade,
there will be brick. The clap board will be white.
Mr. Bowles stated that the storefront glazing system will have
muttens dividing the glazed panels that are 2 The dumpster
coral will have the same features as the storefront. The sign
will be 15' high with a planter down below. The fence next to
the alley will be a 6' high picket fence with the same brick as
store with piers 16' on center. Jasmine will be planted to
compliment the fence.
Gary Hardman, Burger King Construction Manager, stated that
orange race track lettering will be used for the wall signage.
He will confer with Mr. Van Gaale at a later date regarding the
lamp pole colors, preferably grey with black as option 2. The
mullions will be changed to silver because the brown annondized
mullions will be offensive.
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Ms. Nacu moved on approval as discussed and presented. Seconded
by Ms. Kmett. All in favor. Motion carried.
The next item on the Agenda was a request to install a driveway -
515 Myrtle Avenue.
Hamid Pakniat, 2359 Beverly Street, Oviedo, was present for
representation. He stated that he has the house up for sale and
the potential owners are very interested in having a driveway.
Mr. Pakniat stated that the driveway will go in right next to the
house on the left side. He stated that the amount of money that
it is for sale right now is about $40,000 more than what it was
appraised for. He didn't think anyone would buy so he was
thinking of moving here himself. He has some people who are
really interested in buying the house. But, they are also
extremely interested in the driveway. The driveway will be
standard. He stated that he does have alley access but it is
pretty dark and there is a boarding house here and its not really
a safe alley.
Mr. Pakniat stated the reason that he applied for the driveway is
because he saw a house that the driveway was done and this was
about two months ago. He figured that if one person could do it
he could do it too.
Mr. Padgett stated that if the Board is to even consider this,
there needs to be a drawing that shows where it is going on site
with measurements and the Board should not be discussing it until
that drawing is submitted.
Ms. Goeb stated to Mr. Pakniat that if he has a survey he could
draw directly onto it. Mr. Singeisen stated that while a site
plan is required for a complete application, this block along
with the blocks to the north and south, have no curb cuts. He
stated that the Board has granted variances for previous sites
that are owner /occupied. Mr. Pakniat stated that this is not
like a homestead, he owns the property. Mr. Singeisen stated
that a primary residence is what the Board is looking for, this
property is for sale at this time and that purchaser should come
in for a driveway or carriage house. Mr. Pakniat stated that the
purchase of the property is pretty much contingent upon this
driveway. They are not going to buy it and apply for it later.
The interested parties are saying that they would need a
driveway.
Mr. Pakniat stated that the reason he applied for this was that
the house on Magnolia and the driveway that was poured a month
ago is not on a side street. Ms. Farrell stated that this house
is on a double lot and there are other curb cuts on that block.
Mr. Padgett moved to deny. Seconded by Mr. Rogers. Mr. Padgett
stated that he moved to deny because there are no curb cuts in
the area, and because Schedule S guidelines indicate that the
alley is to be used for egress to the property. Mr. Rogers
stated that there is an $8 a month light from the power company
that lights up the alley, and that there are no curb cuts within
a two block radius, actually a three block radius if you go over
to Elm. All in favor. Motion carried.
Next on the Agenda was a Certificate of Appropriateness for 1313
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Park Avenue - modify garage exterior, expand driveway and parking
area, install sign.
Barbara and Steve Umholtz, 1313 Park Avenue, were present. Mr.
Umholtz stated that they are requesting to make modifications to
the exterior surface of their building. They have a 10'x5'x2l"
bay window that they would like to put in where there use to be a
double wide garage door. The garage door was replaced with block
and a window. They would like to take that framed wall
completely out and install the bay window and a beveled glass
door. Also, they would like to square up the concrete driveway so
that there is more of a rectangular approach. Mr. Umholtz stated
that they are also requesting to reestablish a sign where the
sign for Park Avenue Catering use to be. Same spot, with a
similar design. He intends to install lights that come down and
shine on the sign. The bay window is double paned, white and
made out of metal. The door is metal with stained glass.
Ms. Nacu moved on approval to alter the facade of the garage with
one door opening and install the bay window with the stipulation
that the applicant bring in photographs of the windows and doors
prior to construction and to enlarge the driveway to the
dimension per plan and the sign according with the guidelines
with the sign to be black and white. Seconded by Ms. Goeb. Mr.
Van Gaale asked that the applicant check with the Engineering
Department regarding the driveway. All in favor. Motion
carried.
Acknowledgment of Minor Review /Staff Review Actions: a) 1101 Oak
Avenue - paint exterior; b) 715 Myrtle Avenue - paint exterior;
c) 1217 Oak Avenue - construct ground level wood deck in rear; d)
720 Park Avenue - repair 5 windows; and e) 110 West 2 Street -
relocate fire escape. Ms. Kmett moved on approval. Seconded by
Ms. Goeb. All in favor. Motion carried.
Under other business, Mr. Van Gaale reported that the Board
cannot regulate or deny the use of satellite dishes. The Board
can recommend that they be installed in the rear. Mr. Moore is
to bring in a Walking Tour Brochure for review. Mr. Singeisen
noted that a presentation should be made to the City Commission
as to what the Board is doing, to high lite recent successes and
present one obtainable year long goal.
Mr. Singeisen noted that there is an absentee problem and
requested that commitments be reconfirmed. Ms. Nacu stated that
she has a problem with closing.her restaurant and noted that if
the meeting time could be changed, it would help her. It was
noted into the record that Mr. Gross has had several meetings out
of State which has brought about his absenteeism and noted that
he would like to continue as a Board member.
Ms. Goeb moved to approve a time change for the meetings from
4:30 P.M. to-5:00 P.M. Seconded by Mr. Rogers. All in favor.
Motion carried.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 6:30
P.M.