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03.12.98AGENDA HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD Meeting March 12, 1998 City Hall City Commission Chambers 300 North Park Avenue Sanford, FL 4:30 P.M. I. Call to Order and Roll Call H. Excused/Unexcused Absences III. Approval of Minutes - February 12, 1998 IV. Applications for Certificate of Appropriateness RESIDENTIAL a) 315 Palmetto Avenue - Demolish Structure b) 417 West 2n Street - Replace Doors and Windows c) 700 Park Avenue - Install Pool and Cabana Addition to Garage d) 1006 Palmetto Avenue - Remove Masonite Siding, Front Porch Screen and T- 111 Siding e) 207 East I It' Street - Install Balcony, Wrap Around Porch and Install Sears Premium Vinyl Siding f) 1219 Park Avenue - Demolish Building (Previously Tabled) V. Acknowledgment of Minor Review Committee Actions a) 1100 Park \ Avenue - Install Stockade Fence b) 700 Park Avenue - Install Picket Fence c) 919 Elm Avenue - Install Stockade and Picket Fence, Paint d) 417 W. 2 " Street - Rebuild Wrap Around Porch, Replace Siding, Paint e) 109 S. Palmetto Avenue - Repaint Windows and Doors VI. Discussion Regarding Magnolia Square VII. Discussion Regarding Preservation Workshops VIII. Discussion Regarding Expansion of Historic District IX Discussion Regarding Preservation Awards X. Evaluation and Appraisal Report Presentation XI. Other Business ADVICE TO THE PUBLIC: If a person decides to appeal a decision made with respect to any matter considered at the above meeting or hearing, he/she may need a verbatim record of the proceedings, including the testimony and evidence, which record is not provided by the City of Sanford (FS 286.0105). Persons with disabilities needing assistance to participate in any of these proceedings should contact the Personnel Office ADA Coordinator at 330 -5626 48 hours in advance of the meeting. MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF MARCH 12, 1998 4:30 P.M. CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS CITY HALL, SANFORD, FLORIDA MEMBERS PRESENT: e Mike Skat Walt Padgett Barbara Farrell Scott Singeisen Laura Sollien Jerry Gross Julia Goeb Kimberly Kmett Sica Nacu MEMBERS ABSENT: Don Moore - excused Eline Ransom - excused OTHERS PRESENT: Andrew Van Gaale, Staff Liaison Marion Anderson, Recording Secretary Bob and Linda Kuhn Sharon Stevens Susan Tidd The meeting was called to order at 4:30 P.M. by Ms. Sollien. Ms. Goeb moved to approve the Minutes as circulated. Seconded by Mr. Padgett. All in favor. Motion carried. The first application for a Certificate of Appropriateness was 315 Palmetto Avenue - demolish structure. Bob Kuhn, 305 Kimberly Court, Sanford, was present to represent this request. Mr. Van Gaale noted that this is a contributing structure. Ms. Sollien stated that even though this is a contributing structure, it doesn't have any access. She doesn't see this becoming a residence for anyone since there is no way to get into it. Mr. Singeisen asked if the applicants had any other use such as a garage or a storage structure. Ms. Kuhn stated "no ". Ms. Kmett noted that it is good that the materials could be used. Ms. Kuhn stated that they have grandiose plans for this area and they would like to build it into a courtyard area. With this structure here, it doesn't lend itself to that. There is a cottage that they will renovate but, at this point in time, they don't have any plans to use this building for anything. Mr. Gross moved to raise the building. Seconded by Ms. Farrell. Ms. Goeb stated that there needs to be some type of notation in minutes at to a reason for this exception, such as density and the condition of the building. Mr. Singeisen stated that the density is what contributes to the downtown. Ms. Kmett stated that the Board is making an exception due to no access. Mr. Singeisen stated that there is access from the alley and Palmetto. Ms. Sollien stated that as a single family residence there is no way that anyone can have their own access without going across someone else's yard unless it it through the alleyway. Is this acceptable? She stated that what we have is an out - building, that was never meant for people to live in, that MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF MARCH 12, 1998 PAGE 2 someone put apartments in. Mr. Kuhn stated that three of the four buildings will be renovated. One being the grocery store and also the cottage in the back. He stated that the area is too close and would benefit without this building being there. Ms. Kuhn stated that they plan to move into 313, which is the structure now being renovated. The building next door which is within 8 1 , is the warehouse, or the grocery 'store. They intend to renovate it with hopes of opening up a tea room or antique store. The cottage that is directly behind the warehouse will be renovated as a future guest or mother -in- law quarters. They would like to connect the two buildings with an archway and enclose the courtyard in with decorative fencing or a lattice -way. There will be no access from the backyard. It will totally be closed - in. The other cottage is structurally better. The two story is of concern and they have no use for the two story building. Ms. Kuhn stated that they have no idea of what this originally was. Mr. Gross withdrew his motion until Mr. Van Gaale could provide information as to what this building was originally. Ms. Farrell withdrew her second. Ms. Kmett moved to table. Mr. Singeisen seconded. All in favor. Motion carried. The next item was 417 W. 2nd St - replace doors and windows. Sharon Stevens and Susan Tidd was present for representation. Sharon Stevens stated that these are custom sized windows and the contractor will not refund her deposit. She had ordered the windows before receiving Schedule S. Ms. Goeb noted that this home is not a contributing structure. Mr. Skat moved on approval based on the fact that it is not a contributing structure. Seconded by Mr. Padgett. There was much discussion regarding wood trim on the windows. Mr. Skat amended his motion to include wood trim on the windows. Seconded by Ms. Goeb. Mr. Skat withdrew his motion and his amendment. Ms. Goeb withdrew both seconds. Mr. Skat moved to approve the request based on the fact that it is not a contributing structure with a caveat that the exterior trim be matched on surrounding windows. Seconded by Ms. Goeb. All in favor. Motion carried. Mr. Singeisen moved to remove 315 Palmetto Avenue from the table. Seconded by Ms. Kmett. All in favor.- Motion carried. Mr. Van Gaale stated that 313 was built in the 1920s and used as a rental property while the property just south, 317 Palmetto, contributes .to the significance of the Sanford Historic District. The building was on the side of a group of early Negro shanties. This building was built in the 20s for use as a grocery store. There is no file on actual structure. The two structures in front indicate it as a colony or something at one point. Ms. Kmett moved to approve the demolition. Seconded by Ms. Farrell. Mr. Singeisen and Mr. Skat in opposition. All others in favor. Motion carried. Next was 700 Park Avenue - install pool and cabana addition to garage. There was no representative. Mr. Singeisen stated that he visited the site on Saturday and noticed that there was an MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF MARCH 12, 1998 PAGE 3 existing window on the alley side and new window that is not on the plans for the addition. The roof pitch and truss arrangement on the existing garage is that of a hip roof. He stated that with no circulation between garage and cabana placements, he wouldn't object to the cabana being placed on the opposite corner. Mr. Singeisen was concerned with the addition being proposed on the garage structure, that it has staggered siding so that it will seam itself. Mr. Gross stated that when someone is doing over x- amount of dollars in work, to have them come in with a licensed architectural drawing. We need to make this a part of our code. Mr. Gross stated that this should be discussed. Mr. Van Gaale stated that what he hears from the applicants is that they don't want to invest in an architect not knowing what this Board is going to do. He advises the applicants that they will need professional drawings for the building permits. Mr. Skat moved to approve the pool and table the cabana and ask the applicant to come back with a set of drawings. Mr. Gross stated that we can approve it as a schematic. Mr. Skat withdrew his motion. Mr. Gross moved to approve the 700 Park Avenue proposed addition schematically, and look forward to the architectural documents to come before Board. Seconded by Mr. Skat. All in favor. Motion carried. Next on the Agenda was 1006 Palmetto Avenue - remove masonite siding, front porch screen and T -111 siding. Bob Burke, 1006 Palmetto, was present. Mr. Singeisen moved to approve. Seconded by Mr. Skat. All in favor. Motion carried. The next item for consideration 207 E. 11th Street - install balcony, wrap around porch and install Sears premium vinyl siding. There was no representative for this request. Mr. Gross moved to approve in concept. Seconded by Mr. Padgett. All in favor. Motion carried. Next was 1219 Park Avenue - demolish building (previously tabled). Mr. Skat moved to remove from the table. Seconded by Ms. Kmett. All in favor. Motion carried. Mr. Van Gaale stated that the owner is an elderly Orlando woman that just doesn't want anything to do with the property. Mr. Skat moved to table to see if the City could secure and board up. Seconded by Mr. Gross. All in favor. Motion carried. Mr. Skat moved to approve the Minor Review Committee actions. Ms. Kmett seconded. All in favor. Motion carried. Next on the Agenda was the discussion regarding Magnolia Square. Rami Yosefian was present. He stated that when he got his first letter from Jay Marder he went in to talk with him and Andrew Van Gaale. He stated to them that what was approved was wrought iron and what is in there is pretty close to wrought iron. He stated that he told Jay Marder that he needed two weeks to see what he could do. During that two weeks he had a talk with the Vice President of HPB, plus he had asked people around town and their opinion was that what he has outside is a lot more comfortable than wrought iron. Mr. Yosefian stated that he asked the Vice President what should he do and the Vice President stated please don't do anything, he would talk to the members of the Board, and get back with Mr. Yosefian. He stated that he did not do anything, he was waiting to hear from the Board. Meanwhile, Mr. MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF MARCH 12, 1998 PAGE 4 Yosefian gets a second letter from Code Enforcement. Mr. Skat stated that he did talk with Mr. Yosefian but it was after the City had already sent a letter out. Ms. Sollien asked Mr. Yosefian why didn't he come back in for approval of the different tables and chairs. Ms. Kmett stated that what she doesn't understand is that this gentleman came in for approval of specific things, and the Board approved those specific things, and thats not what the applicant did. She asked what is the issue. Ms. Kmett stated that Mr. Yosefian showed the Board samples and stated that this is what he was going to do and he did something else. She stated that the applicant put in something other than what was approved. Mr. Yosefian stated that the Board did not have to discuss anything with him. The Board has decided already what to do. He stated that what he put in is not exactly identical to what he presented to the Board, that he didn't copy the picture. Mr. Yosefian stated that the tables are in the exact location that was approved. The cart is identical to what the Board approved. The only difference is the color. Ms. Sollien stated that the biggest issue is that the Board approved wrought iron and what is out there is not wrought iron. She suggested that Mr. Yosefian remove the tables and chairs until an application for a C of A requesting those particular tables and chairs be approved, and, the other option is to trade these tables and chairs out for wrought iron. Even if the tables and chairs are moved, the problem will not be fixed because they are of the wrong material. Ms. Sollien stated that what Mr. Yosefian should do is remove them temporarily and either come back and request the material, or change them out, or go through Code Enforcement process, or appeal to City Commission. Mr. Yosefian stated that he was going to the City Commission because the Commissioners, personally, were there and he has their signatures that it is o.k. with them. The Board decided that the coffee cart was o.k. as it is and that the tables and chairs would stay in code enforcement until they are changed. Next was the discussion regarding Preservation Workshops. Mr. Van Gaale stated that if anyone is interested there are a couple of workshops by the State available. Next on the Agenda was the discussion regarding the expansion of the Historic District. Mr. Van Gaale stated that it has been several months since any activity. He suggested that each Board member get a map and visit the site and scope out an area that each one feels would be appropriate. It was decided that the members would take the map and fine tune the areas at the next meeting. Mr. Gross discussed the idea of conceptual approval. He stated that the reason some applicants are getting confused is because when they come before this Board, the members are putting in what we feel. We shouldn't be doing this, this is design. The applicants should come in and say this is what we want to do and when they say this, and they have everything documented, then we can say we approve it or make suggestions. Mr. Gross stated that we can't get into designing projects because this is when we come under attack. Next was the discussion regarding Preservation Awards. Ms. Sollien stated that Mr. Moore, Ms. Kmett and herself was on the MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF MARCH 12, 1998 PAGE 5 committee. There are two parts, the application and the depth and sr-ope of the restoration. The inside restoration of some of these building cannot be ignored. The committee decided to open the applications up to the entire city, not just the district. Mr. Van Gaale presented the Evaluation and Appraisal Presentation. There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 7 :15 P.M.