041424"71:1
REGULAR MEETING OF CITY CO` "', ISSION MONADY, APRIL 14,1924
2:30 - A.
Present: Commissioners Forrest Lake(L "ayor) C J Marshall and S 0 Chase. City Manager
W B Williams, City Engineer, F T and Consulting Engineer Jos. r' Craig.
Minutes of last Regular Meeting and of Special Meeting April 3rd, read and approved.
CoiT unication was read from Y S Wisr;rjns Re: adjustment of 1923 taxes on S. 60 ft.
of Lots 9 & 10 Blk 4 Tr. 2; stating that building on said lots was not more than 23;
completed on January 1, 1923 , and on motion duly seconded and carried, the Clerk was
instructed to m:ke the proper adjustment.
On motion duly seconded and passed, the Sanford Herald was designated as the newspap
in which the delinquent tax list should be published.
Commissioner C J Marshall offered Resolution #127 entitled:
"A Resolution providing for the paving, re- paving , hardsurfaeing and re- hardsurfaeing
of Sanford Ave. from First street to Seminole Boulevard; and Seminole Boulevard
from Sanford Ave. to Palmetto Ave. with Trinidad Natural Lake Sheet asphalt instead of
Sheet Asphalt, Willite Process, as heretofore authorized."
Thereupon said resolution was read in full. Upon the reading; of said resolution, t
question wus put on the adoption of said resolution. Those voting in favor of the
Passage and adoption of said resolution were:
Commissioners Forrest Lake, S -0 Chase and C J larshall. Those voting against the passage
and adoption of said resolution were Comrnissioners: None.
Thereupon the Chairman of the Commission announced that the City Commission of the
City of Sanford, Florida had unanimously passed and adopted that certain resolution
numbered 127 entitled:
"A Resolution providing for the paving, re- paving, hard - surfacing and re- hardsurfaoing
of Sanford Ave. from First St. to Seminole Boulevard , and Seminole Boulevard from
Sanford Ave. to Palmetto Ave. with Trinidad ,Natural Lake Sheet asphalt instead of
Sheet Asphalt, willite`, process as heretofore authorized."
Commissioner C J Marshall offered resolution #128, instructing City Engineer
to furnish City Attorney with necessary preliminary data to cover certain street improv
ment s .
Thereupon said resolution was read in full, Upon the reading of said resolution
the question was put on the adoption of said resolution. Those voting in favor of the
passage and adoption of said resolution were:
Thereupon the Chairman of the Commission announced that the City Commission of
the City of Sanford, Florida, had unanimously passed and adopted that certain resolutit
numbered 125
Commissioner C J Marshall offered Resolution #129, instructing City Engineer
to furnish City Attorney with necessary preliminary data to cover certain street im-
prove:nents.
Thereupon 8-id resolution was read in full. Upon the reading of said resolution
the question was put on the adoption of said resolution. Those voting in favor of tle
Passage and adoption of said resolution were:
Commissioners
Forrest Lake, S 0 Chase
and C J
Marshall.
Those voting against the passage
and adoption
of said resolution were
: Commissioners,
None.
Thereupon the Chairman of the Commission announced that the City Commission of
the City of Sanford, Florida, had unanimously passed and adopted that certain resolutit
numbered 125
Commissioner C J Marshall offered Resolution #129, instructing City Engineer
to furnish City Attorney with necessary preliminary data to cover certain street im-
prove:nents.
Thereupon 8-id resolution was read in full. Upon the reading of said resolution
the question was put on the adoption of said resolution. Those voting in favor of tle
Passage and adoption of said resolution were:
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Commissioners
Forrest
Lake,
S 0 Chase and C J Marshall. Those voting against the
passage and
adoption
of said
resolution were :Commissioners, None
Commissioner C 3 Marshall offered.Resolution f130, entitled:
"A Resolution providing for the paving, re- paving, hard surfacing and re- hardsurfacing
of Park Ave. from Tenth St. south to Hughey St., a width of 24 feet."
Thereupon, said resolution was read in full. Upon the reading of said resolution
the question was put on the adoption of said resolution. Those voting in favor of the
passage and adoption of said resolution were: Commissioner S 0 Chase, Forrest Lake
and C J Marshall. Those voting against the passage and adoption of said resolution
were: Commissioners None.
Thereupon the Chairman of the Commission announced that the City Commission of the
City of SiLnford Florida had unanimously passed and adopted that certain resolution num-
bared 130 entitled:
"A resolution providing for the paving , re- paving , hard surfacing and re- hardsurfacing
of Park Ave. from Tenth St. south to Hughey St. a width of 24 feet."
Commissioner C J Marshall offered Resolution #131 entitled:
"A resolution providing for'the paving, re- paving, hard surfacing and re- hardsurfacing
of Highland St. from Park Ave. west to French Ave. a width of 24 feet."
Thereupon, "-said:,resolutidn`--was" reao l:_ imcful .l::;iipon'thi,-±.ee.dingibf daidiresolutfon
the que$tiOn was _.put on�.:the:�adoption of said resoultion. Those voting in favor of the
passage and adoption of said resolution were: Commissioners S 0 Chase, Forrest Lake, and
C J Marshall. Those voting against the passage and adoption of said resolution were: Com-
missioners, None.
Thereupon the Chairman of the Commission announced that the City Cbminission
of the City of Sanford, Florida had unanimously passed and adopted that certain reso-
lution numbered 131 entitled:
"A resolution providing for the paving, re- paving, ;hard surfacing and re- hardsurfacing
of Highland St. from Park Ave. West to French Ave. a width of 24 ft."
Commissioner C J Marshall offered Resolution #132 instructing City Engineer
to Furnish City Attorney with necessary preliminary data to cov r certain street_improv
Thereupon, said Resolution was read in full. Upon the reading of said reso-
lution the question was put on the adoption of of said resolution Those voting in
favor of-the passage and adoption of said resolution were: Commissioners Forrest Lake
gent
S 0 Chase and C J Marshall. Those voting against the passage and adoption of said resolut on
wereg Commissioners None.
Thereupon -the Chairman of - the•Commission announced that the City Commission
of the City of Sanford, Florida had'unanimously passed and adopted that certain resoluti
numbered 132
Commissioner S O Chase introduced Ordinance # 76 entitled:
"An Ordinance providing for the vacating and closing of all streets lying East of Mello
ville Ave, in the Plat of Aallonville recorded in Plat Book 1, on Page 120, of the Public
'?ecords of Seminole County." 1
and moved that the same be placed upon its first reading and-read in full. Said motion pr
vailed by unanimous vote of the City Commission. Thereupon said ordinance was placed.
upon its first reading and read in full.
Thereupon Commissioner S 0 Chase moved that the rules be waived and said ord-
inance be placed upon its second reading; and final passage, which motion was duly seconde .
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The question was then put upon a waiver of the rules and the roll was called upon
a waiver of the rules. Those voting in favor of the waiver of the rules were Commissioner
Forrest Lake, S 0 Chase and C J 114arshall. Those voting against a waiver of the rules
were: Commissioner None:
Thereupon the question recurred upon the motion to place said ordinance upon its
second reading and final passage, which motion prevailed by the unanimous vote of
the City Commission.
Thereupon said ordinance was placed upon its second reading and read in full.
Upon the reading of said ordinance the
adoption of said Ordinance.
roll was called upon the question of the
Those voting in favor of the final passage and adoption of said Ordinance Were:
Commissi=Ors Forrest Lake, S 0 Chase and C J Marshall.
Thereupon the Chairman of the City Commission of the City of Sanford, Florida announ
that the City Commission of the City of Sanford Florida, by unanimous vote had passed and
adopted that certain ordinance entitled:
"An Orlinance providing for the vacating and closing of all streets lying east of
Mellonville Ave. in the Plat of ",2ellonville Recorded in Plat Book 1 on Page 120 of
the public records of Seminole County, Florida."
Plat of "Frank L .00druff's Subdivision, Lands South Sanford" was presented as
approved by the City Engineer and on motion was duly accepted. Same lying outside City
Limits.
Communication from W.M.Colbert, requesting cancellation of Personal taxes for 1923
stating; he-had no property in the City 1923. On motion duly aeconde� and passed, Clerk
was instructed to cancel same.Amount of this tax was $13.50.
Petition from property owners on Poplar Ave. between First and Third Sts. asking
Poplar Ave. be paved was read and filed.
Report of the City Manager for March, read and filed.
Report of the Clerk for Lurch read and filed.
The folo!ving.bills were read, approved and the Clerk authorized to draw checks
�F
172.00
307.41
819.50
2373.00
150.00
100 00
87.50
62.50
6o.0o
60.00
60.00
27.50
'0.00
45.(30
37.50
87' 50
�0: _ 00
5...)0
37.50
50.00
35.00
62.-50
583.33
50.00
62.50
25.00
172.45
145.67
7.1C
180.99
In
to-pay same. '
#3537
J J Purdon Agt.
Freight on Fire
Equipmt.
3538 City Petty Cash
diseel.
Items
3539
City Petty Cash
Pay Poll April
4th
3540
Am.Lafrance Fire Fng.
Co. Note Acct.
Fire
Engine
3541
w B Tilliar.,.s
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
3542
L R Philips
Salary April 1 to 15th.
3543
R G yrilliams_
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
_3544
35'+5
A H Beckwith
G H Tomlinson
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
3546
E E 1
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
'
a,lker
Salaty
April
1
to
15th.
3547
3548
F B Dyson
J B Greene
Salary
April
1
to
151th,,
3549
H IT Yl)ung
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
3550
0 Er Vernon
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
3551
Geo Whitcomb
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
3552
G P Paxton
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
355
B F Smith
Salary
A p r i 1
1
to
15th
355
t -lack Cleveland
Salary
April
1
to
15th
3555
3556
1
Robert illiamson
Moughtong
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
jam es
_ Salary
April
1
to
15th.
3557
Z'illie King
Salary
April
1
to
15th
3555
L L Voorhees
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
3555
3560
Chamber of Com fierce
T,Irs D L
APP'roy
April
1
to
15th
3561
Brown
Ellen Hoy
Salary
April
1
to
15th.
3562
L R Philips
Salary
Salary
April
April
1
1
to
to
15th.
15th
2563
F P Rines
Gas & Oil.
3564
Ball Hardware Co.
Miscel
Items
3�99-
Edw. Higp�ins
Hill Lumber Co.
Gas & Oil
Lumber, brick
etc.
�F
172.00
307.41
819.50
2373.00
150.00
100 00
87.50
62.50
6o.0o
60.00
60.00
27.50
'0.00
45.(30
37.50
87' 50
�0: _ 00
5...)0
37.50
50.00
35.00
62.-50
583.33
50.00
62.50
25.00
172.45
145.67
7.1C
180.99
In
71:4
#3567
3565
3569
3570
3571
3 572
3
3 574
8
357
3 577
3578
3579
3550
3581
3552
358+
3 555
3556
3 557
3 555
3 589
3590
3 591
3592
r
3 59
3595
3596
3 597
3595
3599
3600
36ol
3 6033
360+
3605
36o6
3b07
3608
3 6o9
3610
3611
3613 612
361+
3615
3 616
3617
3 615
361g
3620
3 621
3 62332
362+.
Lloyd Shoe Store
Rubber Boots
Yowell Co.
Cheese Cloth
Albert Hall
Repairs, shoes etc.
Thresher Bros.
Hauling Material
Wight Bros Co.
Gas, Oil etc.
Edw. Higgins
Gas & Oil
Sanford :machine Co.
Repairs to sweeper
E:S_Rockoy
Repairs to car
Sanford Feed & Supply
Co Feed for animals
C D Reese
House numbers, police cap badges
City of Orlando
Refilling broom
Fred T Williams
Grades & Engineering
James A Sands
Installing gasoline pump
St.Lndard Oil Co.
Gasoline
S F Bowser Co.
Gasoline Outfit
The Texas Co.
Motor oil
Library Bureau
Supplies for library
Haynes & Ratliff
Staty. and supplies
Quick Serviee Transfer Transfer of patient from Hosp to Brisson Qtrs.
Fernald Lawton Hosp. Charity case
Fernald Lawton Hosp. First Qtr. Appropriation
Lee Brothers
Repairs to plumbing
Ball Haddware Co.
Supplies for Golf
Hoolehan Coleman Co.
Repairs to plumbing
A E Sjoblom
Feed & Supplies Golf Acct.
Sou. Bell Tel. Co.
Telephone Service
Sou. Util Co
?dater, Licht etc Pub. Bldg.s
Sou Util Co.
Lights, water Streets.
Smith Bros Inc.
Mosquito Bar.
Seminole Steam Laundry Laundry
Sanford Battery Service Charging battery for fire truck
L B Hoggins
Repairs to Sanitary Buckets
Buckeye Iron & Brass
Wks. Fire Whistle ( Cancelled)
P A Y ero
;Repairs to car.
Edw. Hi'' ,,ins
Gas, oil etc.
Woodruff & Watson
Police Caps and shoulder straps.
U S Army Store
Shoes & Boots for prisoners.
Seminole Printery
printing Card.s
A B Cameron
Fees
Coleman's Gift Shop
Supplies
T J Appleyard
Printing Charter
Sanford Herald
Legal Advertising
E A Douglass
Recording Deed.
Van Dorn Iron Wks.
Safe.
Lee Brothers
Account of Well
Field Auto Top Co.
Repairs tc Auto Top.
Chase & Co.
Rertilizer (Cancelled)
Chase & Co.
Fertilizer.
Fiolet Dell Florist..
Palms
W H Hand & Son
Horseshoeing etc.
E D Chittenden
Setting shade trees.
Wm S Earle
Building sidewalk approaches
Hutton Eng. Co.
Sidewalk Approaches.
Miracle Concrete Co.
Sidewalk Approaches.
Library Petty Cash
Miscel Items
Am.LaFrance Fire Eng.
Payment on Ladder Truck
Joe Scott
Salary April 1 to 15th.
Haynes & Ratliff
Printing Etc.
There being no further business the meeting 41en tooke•a recess until 8 P.M.
yor
Attest:
r i k.
City Clerk.
7.00
1.00
12.15
16.00
130.74
19.51
1.25
5.25
312.97
34.75
15.00
57.00
11.01
50.50
297.00
31.00
85.o6
65.45
3.00
16.50
125.00
6.53
16.50
15.50
3.57
5.17
.28.53
99.35
3.22
2.00
43.15
15.55
6.10
19.20
12.40
3.00
71.69
7.50
79.94
15.64
1.35
294.01
32.20
5.00
5,88
26.00
54.25
3.00
590.18
61.2o
10.00
21.62
828.00
50.00
62.30
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14INUTES OF A MEETT70, OF THE CITY COM1. °_ISSION OF TI+'
CITT OF SANFORD FLORIDA HTLP AT SA77770RD FLORIDA, on THE 14th DAY OF APRIL A D 1924
5: 00 P. 111.
The City Commission of the City of Sanford, Florida met in regular session on
the 14th day of April A D 1924 at 5:00 P -71.
Present : Forrest Lake, Mayor, S 0 Chase, Commissioner, C J Marshall, Commissioner
Joseph E Craig, Consult incr Engineer; Fred T Williams, City Engineer; W R 1illiams, City
Manager; Ceorge A �Cottes, City Attorney, and 1, R Philips, City Clerk, also in attendance
The Mayor sta,t d that the -purpose of this meeting was to discuss with the Consulting;
Engineer the matter of the purchase, if possible, of such portions of the present existing
water works plant of the Southern Utilities Company as the City of Sanford, Florida, could
use advantageously in the construction of its municipal Plant.
The Commission asked tha City Attorney to question and conduct an examination of the
Consulting Engineer with reference to the present existing water works plant of the ftti her
Utilities Company, so that the Comitission might be fully advised from the answers given by
the engineer, as to tJhat portion, if any of said plant could be advantageously used by the
City. Thereupon; -',Tr Joseph E Craig, Consulting Engineer, in charge of the construction wcr
of the 17unicipal 17ater Works Plant, was examined for and on behalf of the Commission by the
City Attorney; as follows, to -wit:
Q Mr Craig, a rei.,ort has been handed me by the Commission, made by you under-date of 'larch
25th. 1924 relative- to the physical survey and examination made by you of the water works
plant of' thy: Scuth> >rn utilities Cornpa,ny.Will you please just briefly state what wa,s done
by *You in order to determine the information ccnt-uined in your report to this Commission
under date of °'arch 25th 1924 ?
A. An examination was made of all of the pumping equipment, the 60,000 gallon tank, con -
crete reservoir the pumpin station building, all of the meters in the City, and all the
water mains in as many places as it was possible to find them exposed during the recent
str-aat construction of severs and paving in the City. I also made an examination of the
wells and fire hydrants.
Q In making this examination in detail of the j�resent water works plant, did you make
an examination into the matter of the vc.lue of the various equipt.:ent of the Southern
Utilities Company, used in connection with the w ater Works plant?
A. "I made an examination as to the value of all of the several elements entering into
the complete water works plant of the Southern Utilities Company.
Q. In the report rendered the Commission under date of aarch 28th., you refer, papagraph
by Paragraph, to various items of the present equipment being used by the Southern Titilitie
Co :r :,,any in the operation of its water works plant. This Commission, "Ir Craig, would like
to know from you, in addition to the report that you have rendered in wirting, whether the
pumping machinery now in use.by the Southern Utilities Company in the operation of its wate
works plant `mould be serviceable or practicable for use by the City, and adequate for use
by the City in its4unicipal Plant to be constructed, and if not, briefly, ,rhy not ?
A. The Pumping machinery has been long; service and is inadequate to the needs of the City
because of the fact that the principal pumping engines consist of two triplex motor dliven
Pumps each capable of delivering 600 gallons a minute.
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The City of Sanford is undertaking to build a water works system to meet the needs of
the reasonable future as required by the Southeastern Underwriters Engineers. These
requirements would include pumping machinery capable of delivering for fire protection,
more than three tirnes the amount of water which the two triplex pumps would furnish.
The other pumping machinery in the existing pumping plant consists of two centrifugal
pumps, which are considerably corroded, and would not be considered of the type of pump-
ing engines required by the Underwriters Engineers, for reasonably good fire protection
to the City of Sanford.
Q Would you, Mr Craig, advise this Commission to purchase from the Souther Utilitie
Company any part of the pumping machinery or pivoer unit now being used by the Southern
Utilities Company in the operation of its water works plant ?
A. I would not.
Q In your report of March 28th you refer to a 60,000 gallon elevated steel tank
stating this tank is entirely too small and has seen eleven years of service, and is.
utterly unsuited, Mould this tank be of any value to the City in connection with the
Municipal Water Works Plant now being installed ?
A. It would not be of value to the City City in the construction of a modern
efficient water works system. Of course the tank has some salvage value, and could
be wrecked.and sold for scrap or could be taken down and set up again 'in song other
portion of the City, However, this would be expensive, and unsatisfactory, and the
value of this tank to the City is so small that I would not recommend that it be pur-
chased by the City to be used in connection with the new water porks plant.
Q. You also refer in this report, of March 28th. to the concrete reservoir,
stating that it is too small to be considered, and is located in an unsatisfactory plac
-Where is the location of this concrete reservoir.?
A. At the corner of Sixth St. and Holly Avenue, which location is more than one -
half a mile from the site of ' the proposed Sanford pumping plant, and for this reason
could not be used. Furthermore, the capacity of this reservoir is 135,000 gallons, where
as.,�he City of Sanford, should have a concrete reservoir of an absolute minimum capacity
Of 500,000 gallons
Q. Could this concrete reservoir be used by the City of Sanford advantageously as an
integral part of the municipal plant to be installed ?
A. No.
Q. You also state in this report that the wells , the artesian wells, are in an
unsatisfactory location. What further can you Advise with reference to these wells, and the
c.ondition of these wells, and the unsatisfactory location of same ?
A. These wells are located at the site of the reservoir and have been flowing
for various periods, from five .to twenty years, and it is a well known fact thd,t the
flow from these wells decreases. Owing to the fact of their location one -half a mile
from the proposed site of the Sanford pumping plant, they could not be advantageously
used therewith.
Q. In your report; with reference to fire hydrants, you state as follows:
"Fire Hydrants are 411, being too small. Those contemplated are all 6" or larger."
I would like to ask, on behalf of the Commission, whether the t+" fire Hydrant now install d an
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and being used by the Southern Utilities Company in the operation of the water works
plant could be used by the City of Sanford advantageously in the operation of its
municipal plant, and if : not, why not ?
A. These hydrants could be used, but not advantageously, because of the fact that the
Engineers of the Southeastern Underwriters Association require that unless all fire
hydrants protecting the City of the class of Sanford, have 6« connections, to the mains
the property insured will be penalized or charged a greater rate of insurance , due
to the fact that these fire hydrants have less than 6" connections to the water mains.
Q. ( By Commissioner TTarsh X11) I understand, idr Craig, that Mr Rosebro, the Local
Manager of the Southern-Utilities Company, claims that the barrels of the present fire
hydrants in use are 6►, barrels. Would it be possible to take the fire hydrants now in
used by the Southern Utilities Company, and convert them in any manner so that they could
come up to the requirements of the Southeastern Underwriters Association ?
A. Even though these hydrants with 411 hub connections were increased to 611 by the
use of increasers, the Underwriters would still penalize the City of Sanford due to their
use.
Q, Mr Craig, would you recommend or advise to the Commission the purchase of the pres
fire hydrants in use by the Southern Utilities Company in this City in connection with
its water works plant, and the user of these hydrants in the municiapl plant to be in-
stalled?
A. I have recently designed water works systems for Florida cities using several
hundred fire hydrants, all of which had 61, or larger connections. as required by the
Underwriters. For this reason I would not recommend the use of the 4f, hydrants in an
efficient water works system for Sanford.
Q. You also state that the meters and meter boxes now being used by the Southern
Utilities Company in the operation of its water wo-rks plant could be used by the City
in the operation of its municipal plant, but that you have found from your examination,
that on many streets these meters and meter boxes will have to be moved from the front
of the houses to the alley in the rear.. Can you advise this Commission, to any degree of
certainty, the percentage of meters and meter boxes now in use by the Southern UtilitJes
Company, that are
located in front
of the
houses rather
than in
the alley to the Real ?
A. Probably
ninety -eight per
cent
are located in
front
of the houses.
Q. In the distribution system to be installed by the City for aervice to property
owners, where will the distribution of the municipal plant be made from ? From the street
line or from alley lines ?
A. Fifty per cent of the distribution or more will be made from alleys.
Q. That would be the approximate cost of taking out a meter and meter box locate
on the street line, and installing same in an alley on the City's' line of distribution
A. Probably Three Dollars each.
Q What is the present value, the average present value, of the meters and meter
boxes now in use by the Southern Utilities Company in connection with its water works
Plant ?
A. You mean all of them ?
Q The general average value.
A Of one?
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Q By that question I mean the average value per meter and per meter box.
A. About Eleven Dollars.
Q.
And what would
be
the initial
cost
of a new meter and meter box each?
A.
Twelve Dollars
an-d
Sixty Five
Cents
each.
Q In the installation of a new., modern efficient water works plant for the City of
Sanford, would it be more adva,ntageous.I.to the City to buy from the Southern Utilties
Company the present meters and meter boxes now in use by the Gouthern Utilities Cornpan
and installed mostly in streets to the front of the property, and re- install those meters
and meter boxes in alleys, rather than to purchase new meters and meter boxes for
the Municipal Plant.?
A. No. -
Q. You state, in your report of March 28th, that the distribution system now used by the
Southern Utilties Company , is composed mostly of mains which are entirely too small for
fire protection, and that they are poorly laid out for this purpose. Should the City in
any way arrange to take over the distribution system now being used by the Southern
Utiltites Company, in connection with the mains for fire protection, would that system
be adequate to meet the requirements and needs of the City of Sanford, for fire protection?
A. No.
Q. Would it be practical for the City of Sanford to use the distribution system for
fire protection now being used by the Southern Utilities Company as an integral part of
the municipal plant to be installed ?
A. It would not be practical to use all of the distribution system of the Soutiern
Utilities Company's water works in the new 111unicipal water works system, but it would
be possible and practical to use portions of this Southern Utilities Distribution
system which are composed of 6" mains that have been laid within the last 12 or 15
years. However, very few of these mains are located as desired in the design of a new
adequate and efficient water works system for Sanford.
Q. Mould it be practical ,4.r Craig for the City of Sanford to use the distribution
system for service lines to property owners, now, in use by the Southern Utilities
Company in the operation of its municipal plant to be corn tructed ?
A. It would be possible but not desirable to ude this Southern Utilities distri-
bution system for supplying services of the Sanford eater 7,orks Syste . If this were
undertaken, most likely very undesirable conditions would-occur.
Q Tould you recommend the use of the distribution system of the Southern Utilities
Company for fire protection in connection with the City's Municipal Plant ?
A. No, It has been proven at several fires recently that this distribution cannot
furnish adequate water for fire protection to most of the City of Sanford.
Q, Would you recommend to this Commission the use of the distribution system of
the Southern Utilities Company now being used by it in its service lines to property.
owners?
A. No, with respect to the old main 41, in size or less.
Q. if arrangements could be made with the Southern Utilities Company whereby the
City, could take over the old mains at their salvage value, would that require the re-
vising and changing of the water works system as planned b you for the f
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A. It would.
Q Would the.revising and changing of the plans and specifications prepared by you
for the new water works system for the City of Sanford add any cost to the system
as planned by you in excess of the figures that you have submitted for the construction
of this new .plant ?
A. The using of these old mains would not _add seriously to the cost of the work but
would decrease very much its efficiency and fitness after the entire works were complete,-
Q. In the recapitulation of your report of .1Zarch Vth. you have listed 690 meters at an
appraised value of k8.00 per meter, making a total of
$5,520.00. Would you recommend
the purchase of these 690 meters at that price from the Southern Utilities Company 'by the
City of Sanford, to be used in connection with its ne -j water works plant ?
A. The examination of the equipment of the Southern Utilities Corr:rany�s water works shove
that the water meters have been maintained well and are in satisfactory condition. 'These
meters could be used and there is no reason why they should not be used at Twhat they are
actually worth, something less than the cost of new meters, and I would recommend the
purchase of these meters at •$8.00 per meter, provided the Southern utilities Company
is :willing to sell them to the City.
Q. '1;'ould you recommend the purchase by the City of Sanford of the 700 meter boxes at
a salvage of X2.90 ?
A. I would not because I believe they can buy them new at a 'getter price than that
Q. Could you give this Commission sonne infor:i,ation of the ar,proxiaate cost per house
connection for connecting service to property owners with the City Line ? Of course
we understand it -will vary, but the approximate cost per connection ?
A. The Approximate cost per connection for each service, exclusive of meter, using
3/411 goose necks and 5/6" tap , will be 1510.00
Q. 11Lculd you recommend �,to this Cofrunission the purchase frorrr the Southern TJtilties Co.
provided they were -,willing to sell to the City, the 350 house connections 'referred to in
your report, at an appraised valuation of 58.00 per connection ?
A. While these connections could be used by the City, I would not recom.-r.end their pur-
chase, because of the fact that to move them in many cases would tear up the street
and in the cases where they are not moved their uncert,iin condition as to age brings in
an undesirable element.
Q. (By it Lake) Is it 'a fact that a large percent of these meter connections have
become corroded and are not of much service.?
A. In my report I dropped one -half of the present connections as being unfit on that
account.
Q. In this report you also refer to certain valves ahich might be used by the City of a
total salvage"valuation of k12CO.00. If these were out ,could that, entail the dismantling
of the present plant of the Southern Utilities Company
A. It would.
Q. And would you recommend, as the Consulting Engineer, the purchase of these valves ?
A. I would not because of the fact that the existing water works system must be used
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until the new water works system is in operation, and these valves cannot be taken
out of the old water works system and put into the new until the new is in operation
and the old shut down, an impossibility.
Q. You refer in your report to 1711, 2t', 4" and 61t pipe laid within the past four years
at 'a slavage valuation of $15,000.00. Could this pipe where now laid be taken over as an...,
integral part of the water works plant to be installed by the City.
A. This pipe could be taken over but would require very m "terial changing of the plans
for the proposed water - works system, and would compel the making of the plans to com-
ply with the location of these existing water amine, which distribution system, when
completed, would not be so desirable to the Southeastern Underwriters Association as
would be the system as planned entirely new, and for this reason would cause the ins
surance rates in some portions of the City to be higher.
Q. Would you recommend to this Commission the purchase of the 1 -° 211,4+1 and 6" mains at
the salvage valuation of $15,000 to be used by the City in the construction of its water
works plant ?
A. For the value of these mains themselves, I would not recommend their purchase.
Q. You also refer to 61t mains laid within the past 12 years of salvage valuation of
e6,600.00 . Could these 6" mains as now laid and where now laid, be used as an inte-
gral part of the water works system to be installed for the City of Sanford ?
A. They could be used by not advantageously and efficiently.
Q. ( By Commissioner Lake.) Is it not a fact that with the water now used by the Southern
Utilities, the pipe would be badly corroded after use of 10 or 12 years ?
A. Yes.
Q. MIr Craig, in this report of :vllarch 28th., you show a total salvage valuation of
03,950.00 of portions of the present equipment of the Southern Utilities Company now
being used in the operation of its water works plant, that the City might take over,
in making this report to the City, what were some of the controlling motives that in-
duced you to make this report ?
A. I felt very strongly that it would be difficult and expensive to incorporate this
equipment into a modern, efficient, new water works system for the City of Sanford, but
for the sake of coming to some amicable agreement with the Southern Utilities Company
I was willing to recommend that they should be paid this amount for this materiel, simply
for the sake of coming to an agreement and closing the matter, and not because I felt
that this equipment had physical value to this extent to the City of Sanford.
Q. In view of your remarks, Mir Craig, and being approved of the fact that this COMMiSSiOTL
h,s, exhausted every effort at its. command to arrive at some satisfactory amicable arrange-
ment with the Southern Utilities Company for the purchase of portions of its equipment.
Which it-- _ecauld use advantageously, and the Commission having been informed by the General
Manager of the Southern Utilities Company that they would not consider for a moment.the
sale of any part of their plant to the City of Sanford, but would only consider the sale
of the plant in its entirety, less its power unit, would you recommend to this Commissio
that they take any further steps to secure by some amicalbe arrangement with the Southern
Utilities Company the portions of its plant referred to in your report of 'Y'arch 28th.?
A. No.
There being no further business the meeting was adjourned.
Attest:
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