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020686-Special SessionMINUTES City Commission, Sanford, Florida __ February 6, 313 19 86 The City Commission of the City of Sanford, Florida, met in Special Session in the City Commission Room at the City Hall in the City of Sanford, Florida, at 2:00 o'clock P. M. on February 6, 1986. Present: Absent: Mayor-Commissioner Bettye D. Smith Commissioner John Y. Mercer Commissioner Milton E. Smith Commissioner David T. Farr City Attorney William L. Colbert City Manager Frank A. Faison City Clerk H. N. Tamm, Jr. Commissioner Bob Thomas Also Present: SEMINOLE COUNTY Commissioner Bob Sturm, Chairman Commissioner Sandra Glenn Commissioner Barbara Christensen Commissioner Bill Kirchhoff Commissioner Fred Streetman Ken Hooper, County Administrator Nikki Clayton, County Attorney Jim Bible, Director of Environmental Services DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS Richard Smith, Bureau of Wastewater Management and Grants Alexander Alexander, District Manager Bill Bostwick, Water Permitting Division The meeting was called to order by the Chairman. The Chairman stated this joint meeting was called for the participants from the City Commission, Seminole Board of County Commissioners, Department of Environmental Regulations and Jeno Paulucci had been invited to attend, and was not a public hearing and therefore public participation will not be allowed. Commissioner Sturm stated that the understanding of Seminole County's presence at this meeting was to discuss possibilities of developing the regional wastewater facility, for that purpose alone, statements made here may not be introduced as evidence in any law suit which may be pursued. Mr. Bible presented two graphics relating to the County's planning area for water and sewer services in the Northwest area of Seminole County. He reported a number of developments having requested water and sewer service in the past eight months and their requested capacity. Mr. Bible explained in detail how his Staff had arrived at the projected capacity need for the City of Sanford. Mr. Faison reported the City of Sanford's annual average flow to be treated is about 7.3 million gallons a day (MGD), and to be designed to the maximum per day which is about 8.4 MGD. He stressed that this is the current need to resolve the problem with DER regarding Lake Monroe. He explained that, in the "out-years", thinking in terms of a 20- year design, as the City removes infiltration and inflow and experiences growth, the ultimate design should be approximately 10 MGD. The Chairman referred to the status of ~the current grants from DER. Dick Smith reviewed the status of the available grants; explained that the record indicates that the City moved towards condemnation and even though an "action" had taken place last week, he had not received official notification that anything had changed. Mr. Smith was asked if a change in design would affect the grant monies; he reported that there is a basic consideration they have in that Sanford contended with approximately 100 other 314 MINUTES City Commission, Sanford, Florida F ~brlla~y 6, _ 19 municipalities, all of which had to meet certain requirements and one of these was that in order to receive the grant, they had to have, at a minimum, the planning phase completed. If it turns out that the City planning no longer applies, then the grant will be in jeopardy. When asked if Sanford and Seminole County agree on a regional plant, would the City still be eligible for the grant money, Mr. Smith stated that if the system is basically as described, the City could keep the grant money. If Sanford upgrades the existing plant and uses that site only for disposal, there is still the possibility that the grants could be retained. When confronted with the possibility that if the City of Sanford and Seminole County can, through some mechanism such as a joint venture or another site, find a way to dispose of the treated effluent, how close is the City in time to losing the grant, Mr. Smith stated that the agreement states that the City is supposed to start construction in March of this year. If no conclusion is available, then DER would have to consider taking back the grant. He explained that in order to keep the grant, the City will have to be able to dispose of its effluent as already described to DER. Mr. Hooper reported that the County engineering consultants were preparing an update of what can be disposed of on the Yankee Lake site, which is due in early March. Mr. Hooper inquired if the City had researched the project both with and without funding from the grants. Mr. Faison explained there had been several approaches to the cost aspect of the project, the initial approach being the 201 review, and several alternatives had been analyzed in the relative cost of the project. Specific studies had been dOne on rate increases and impact fees, not included in the needs as defined by DER, but impact fees were relative to additional capacity for growth. Commissioner Sturm explained that the County's water and sewer system is an Enterprise Fund; the County does not receive any income nor funds from the taxpayers, and, in essence, pays for itself. Mayor Smith stressed that the City's water and sewer utility fund was, also, an Enterprise Fund. Dick Smith was asked if it makes a difference in the City's grants as to who owns the Yankee Lake site for disposal. Mr. Smith explained the ownership of Yankee Lake does make a difference and depends on what type of arrangements can be reached between the County and the City. The requirement of DER is that the City is able to own, operate, maintain and have full control of its waste disposal. A form of long-term lease would have possibilities in retaining the grants. Mr. Alexander reviewed the history of events leading to the decision of DER to demand improvement of the water quality of Lake Monroe. He would prefer not to wait until March for the County's engineering report but would prefer to meet as soon as possible with the respective Staffs to discuss any possible options. There was a brief discussion regarding "take back". Mayor Smith asked if it is determined that the City of Sanford cannot use the Yankee Lake site and through arrangements with DER, the City of Sanford is able to obtain other properties in Seminole County, would there be a problem obtaining permits from the County. Commissioner Kirchhoff stated that 'this would depend on the location of the property, the citizens, and it would have to go through public hearings, the Board of MINUTES City Commission, Sanford, Florida Februa_rfZ 6, Adjustment and the Board of County Commissioners. Dick Smith requested a clarification of timing as to when the County will tell Sanford what capacity can be provided for the City. Mr. Hooper recommended the formation of a Technical Advisory Committee, comprised of the City of Sanford, Seminole County, and the City of Lake Mary, to look. at the information from CDM, the County's engineering consultants. Dick Smith was asked when the final date is for Sanford to be out of Lake Monroe and informed the Commissioners that the deadline is November 30, 1988, but Sanford had another problem that had not been discussed today - the fact that Sanford is facing a July 1, 1988 deadline to comply with effluent limitations, which is backed up with an $10,000 per day fine for noncompliance. Mayor Smith stated that we would all like to try to work out the problem together. Commissioner Farr expressed that he felt the City and County had begun to understand things together that they had not understood before, suggested this same group should meet together again when the City Staff, County Staff, and DER have had time to look at the issue together. Mr. Alexander urged a meeting prior to the joint meeting, between DER and both Staffs. It was agreed this joint meeting would take place on February 20, 1986. It was agreed by the City Commissioners, County Commissioners, and DER, there would be a joint meeting to be held on March 14, 1986, at 1:00 P.M. at the Sanford City Hall. There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned. -MAYOR ATTEST: 19 86