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The City Commission of the City of Sanford, Florida, met in Workshop Session in
the City Manager's Conference Room, Second Floor, City Hall, Sanford, Florida, at 4:00
o'clock P. M. on February 5, 1990.
Present: Mayor-Commissioner Bettye D. Smith
Commissioner Whitey Eckstein
Commissioner Robert B. Thomas
Commissioner Lon Howell
Commissioner A. A. McClanahan
City Manager Frank A. Faison
City Clerk Janet R. Donahoe
Absent: City Attorney William L. Colbert
The meeting was called to order by the Chairman.
The first item of business was review of milestones for actions required for
processing Seminole Mall property, as follows:
· Annexation
· DRI Development Order/rezoning
· Comprehensive Plan Amendment
A Schedule of the various activities needed to accomplish the DRI Development
Order/rezoning and Comprehensive Plan Amendment was submitted from the City Planner.
The City Manager reported that the needs generated by the proposed shopping
center will require close attention by City Staff, and discussed a pent chart graphically
showing the various activities. He reported that if all goes as scheduled, the developer
will be ready to break, ground in'September, 1990.
The Commission next discussed a report on Medicare Supplemental Group Health
Insurance, as follows:
OFFICE OF PERSONNEL
MEMORRNDUM
JANUARY 31~ 1990
MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION
~IA:
FROM:
SUBJECT:
ANALYSIS OF ISSUE TO REPLACE EXISTING HEALTH INSURANCE WITH "MEDICARE
SUPPLEMENTAL" INSURANCE FOR RETIREES RECEIVING MEDICARE
BACKGROUND ISSUE:
Several months ago this office was directed to explore the possibility of
replacing the existing City's health insurance program with a "medicare
supplemental" type insurance for those retirees receiving medicare coverage.
This issue was surfaced initially' at a City Commission workshop with direction
given to explore the following:
Does the City's
coverage/care for
medicare?
current insurance scenario provide the best
the retiree once they begin to receive benefits from
Does the City's current insurance scenario continue to be cost-
effective once the retiree is in receipt of medicare benefits?
3. Is there a "better" system of coverage?
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PURPOSE:
Since that time several things transpired regarding this issue:
An "Insurance Committee" was formed to discuss the issue. Each
Department was represented in addition to Commissioner Eckstein and two
(2)~ representatives from the retiree population. After meeting on this
issue it was determined by the Committee to solicit proposals from
insurance providers to explore exactly what types of supplements were
available and get specifics on how supplements actually work.
Proposals were solicited via the RFP process and concluded on November
30, 1989. Only one (1) vendor, "Humana" submitted a formal proposal;
fourteen (14) vendors did not respond; one (1) vendor "Met Life",
submitted a "no bid".
Due to the state of chaos created by the repeal of the Medicare
Catastrophic Health Act firm premium rates and types of coverage could
not be obtained until January 11, 1990.
Th~ insurance committee was given a formal presentation by the Humana
representative. Ail questions, concerns, and details of the three (3)
Humana options were discussed. It was the desire of the committee to
apprise the retiree population of the Humana program to solicit input
and have all questions and concerns addressed prior to reporting back
~o the City Commission on this issue.
On January 26, 1990 all affected retirees met to discuss the possible
options. In short, the overwhelming response to this issue from the
retirees was negative. Many concerns were voiced such as:
A. Lack of "Sanford" doctors and facilities.
B. Distance to provider network (South Seminole and Orlando).
What will happen to retiree's dependent who is not medicare
eligible?
What happens to the seventeen (17) retirees currently receiving
cash rather than insurance through the city?
Why couldn't this whole issue have been addressed in a formal bid
package together with regular insurance to allow more time and the
possibility of being able to obtain "transition" coverage from
non-medicare retiree status to medicare eligible retiree status.
RECOMMENDATION/CONCLUSION:
It is concluded that the initial issue did warrant consideration.
Although the "Humana" plan did present problems in terms of program
service area, it also determined that medicare supplements mar offer a
more cost-effective approach to the issue.
From a pure budgetary standpoint, based on Humana premium options, the
cost differential in continuing the current insurance scenario vs. a
supplement could save the City as much as $72,000 annually (calculation
is based on using the Humana "Value" option).
The issues raised by the retiree population have validity. There are
"drawbacks" that would require formulating a City "Policy Statement"
attempting to cover all aspects of retiree treatment.
If it is the wish of the City Commission to pursue this endeavor
further, it is recommended that further options be explored during the
normal insurance bid process. Attempts could then be made to secure a
more centrally located provider network, similar to that provided to
regular city employees which addresses the issue of smooth transition
from non-medicare eligible status to medicare-eligible status.
Commissioner McClanahan reported that although he did ask Staff to look into
Group Health Insurance/Medicare Supplemental Group Health Insurance for Retirees, his
intent was not to reduce benefits, rather, it was to find out why Blue Cross-Blue Shield
Insurance Company charges the same premium for retirees under age 65 as it charges for
retirees over age 65. Further, Blue Cross/Blue Shield provides 80% coverage to those
retirees under age 65, and only 20% coverage to those retirees over age 65.
The City Manager recommended that if further action is desired, the issue be
addressed when the group health insurance package is re-bid.
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The Commission authorized to re-bid Medicare Supplemental Insurance for Retirees
at the same time and together with, the employees group health insurance when it is re-bid,
and to keep the Insurance Committee intact.
The next item of business was consideration of a letter from the City Attorney
regarding Sanford Housing Authority, as follows:
STENSTROM. McINTOSH,/LTLTA. N. COLBERT. WHIGI-IA~ & SIMMONS, P.A.
ATTORNEYS AND COUNSELLORS AT LAW
DOU(~ ~%..~ STENSTROM
KENNETH W. M,C:INTOSH
NED N. UULI^N. ,.JR.
WIt[JAM I... COLSr'RT
To:
From:
Re:
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Roquost for G~O Invost~ation of 8anford Housin~ ~uthor~t7
Date: January 10, 1990
We have received a verbal' report back from Mr. John Ariale,
the District Director of Congressman McCollum's office regarding
the City's request for a complete GAO investigation of the SHA.
Mr. Ariale advises that the GAO is no longer involved in the type
of investigation requested by the City but that the Inspector
General of HUD is the agency which performs that function now.
Mr. Ariale spoke to the congressional liaison of HUD and has
been advised that to begin an investigation the Inspector General
needs to know two things: (1) the specific allegations that have
been made against the. SHA, and (2) an overview of the problems at
SHA.
A report on the SHA detailing both the specific allegations
that have been made against the SHA and the general problems of
the SHA needs to be prepared and forwarded to Mr. Ariale. Either
the Staff or the City Commission need to provide the details that
will form the basis of the inquiry.
Mr. Ariale.will continue
congressional liaison from HUD.
the HUD Inspector General's
involvement down the road.
to be the City's contact wi[h the
He advises that the results of
report may warrant the GAO's
Please call if you have questions. We will either forward
the report or assist in preparing it if we are provided with
sufficient details.
The City Manager reported that Staff has no specific allegations against the
Sanford Housing Authority as referred to in paragraph 3 of the foregoing letter. Further,
in open, regular meetings, the City Commission has heard allegations against the Sanford
Housing Authority, but those allegations would be heresay if the City Commission were to
provide them to HUD for inquiry, instead of the persons making the allegations.
Commissioner McClanahan reported he would encourage the Sanford Housing Authority
to get the contract for a management company approved by HUD.
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regarding the possibility of the City Commission taking over the responsibility and the
running of the Sanford Housing Authority, Before further considering the Eoregoing letter·
The Commission next considered Recreational (SkateBoard) Ramp Regulations,
referred from the January 8, 1990 Regular Meeting. The Mayor expressed disappointment that
despite the Commission's suggestion that private citizens organize to construct and operate
a skateboard ramp, possibly on City-owned property, no one has come forward with any
organization or proposal·
The City Manager reported that one citizen had submitted information on publicly-
owned and operated skateboard ramps in Honolulu, Hawaii, and in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
Further, a ramp such as these would cost approximately $18,000.00 to Build, and he did not
recommend the City do so.
Commissioner Thomas reported that Tom Hood had called him several times to report
that the kids using the ramp next door to his house are harassing him.
The. Director of Engineering and Planning reported that he Believed any skateboard
ramp Ban or set-Back requirements would not apply to ramps already existing, Because they
would Be "grandfathered".
The City Manager reported that Sanford's City Code does not regulate skateboard
ramps, and recommended they not Be allowed in side yards, and not allowed closer than 100
feet or so to any other house.
The Commission authorized the City Manager to review with the City Attorney,
possible legislation to define "puBlic nuisance" to include skateboard ramps, and to place
reported he
now closed
same on the February 12, 1990 Late Agenda.
The Director of Recreation
have skateboard ramps, and most are
liability insurance.
The next item of
idays, as follows:
comments.
has talked to other cities that used to
because of the lack of/high cost of
business was review of 1990 City Commission Meeting dates/hol-
December 25th (TuesdaY):
· December 4th (Tuesday):
The Commission authorized:
May 28th (4th Monday): Memorial Day Holiday.
September 3rd (lst Monday): Labor Day Holiday.
December 24th (4th Monday): Christmas Eve Holiday.
Christmas Day Holiday.
City Election.
To hold the second Regular Meeting in May on May 21st, and to have no Work
Session on that date.
To have no Work Session on September 3rd.
To hold the second Regular Meeting in December on December 17th, and to have
no Work Session on that date.
· To consider at a later date, whether or not to have a Wgrk Session on
December 3rd.
The Commission reviewed the February 12, 1990 Agenda. There were no questions or
The Chairman reported receipt of a letter from Cal Conklin, Chairman, Historic
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Preservation Board, regarding the Downtown Walking tour event to be sponsored by the
Historic Preservation Board and to be held around the second week in March. The writer
requested City support of the clean-up effort and permission to hold a reception with food
and beverages after the tour, in the Cultural Arts Center. The Commission designated the
City Manager as liaison with the Historic Preservation Board for this event, and concurred
that the reception, with food and beverages, would
Arts Center.
The Chairman reported receipt, today,
(envelope postmarked January 19
Planning and Zoning Commission.
February 12, 1990, Late Agenda.
be an appropriate use of the Cultural
of a letter dated January 19, 1990,
and February 2) from Jay Malone, resigning from the
The Commission asked that the resignation be placed on the
The Chairman reported receipt, on February 3rd, of a letter from Dave Farr,
Executive Director, Greater Sanford Chamber of Commerce, for free use of the Civic Center
for a concert by the Army Ground Forces Band on Monday, February 5, 1990. Further, the
letter also states the Greater Sanford Chamber of Commerce and the Sanford Herald are
jointly sponsoring this free concert, and there will be no charge for admission and no
collection will be taken. The Commission concurred this would be a worthwhile contribution
to the community, and asked that
Agenda.
The Chairman reported
the request be placed
receipt, today, of
Association of Mid-Florida, regarding size, placement,
on the February 12, 1990, Late
a letter from the Home Builders
and the timely removal of signs
informing the public of the location of homes in the 1990 Parade of Homes. The Commission
authorized the City Manager to respond.
The Chairman congratulated City Planner Jay Marder on his being elected President
of the Central Florida Chapter of the Florida Planning and Zoning Association.
The City Manager reported that at the Legislative Delegation Meeting on February
13th, Lee Vorhees, representing Geneva, is to present Geneva's request for incorporation to
the Legislative Delegation, and that the proposed incorporation includes City of Sanford
property commonly known as the "2200 Acre Site". The City Manager recommended the City ask
the Legislative Delegation to remove Sanford's "2200 Acre Site" from the proposed
incorporation, further he has asked the City Attorney to prepare a letter requesting same.
The City Manager further recommended that a member of the City Commission attend the
Legislative Delegation Meeting in Winter Springs City Hall and present the letter. The
Mayor reported she would do so, and if unable, Commissioner McClanahan would do so.
Commissioner Eckstein reported that the nightly traffic back-ups at the Deltona
exit from I-4 are examples of Volusia County residents' use of Seminole County roads, which
will continue after the construction of the proposed Expressway, and that the Volusia
Countians will benefit from the Expressway by reduced traffic on I-4, even though they are
not being charged Expressway construction costs. Further, Volusia County should join and
pay its share of the Expressway. The Chairman reported she would bring this up at the next
Expressway Authority Meeting. The City Manager reported he will meet tomorrow with Bob
Hughes, Seminole County School Board Superintendent, to discuss the possibility of
exchanging school board property near Seminole High School and school board property across
from Sanford Middle School for City (Hovnanian Park) property, Chase Park, and possibly the
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Stadium.
The Mayor reported receipt of a just received telephone message from Patri¢ia
Hood, that the boys using the skateboard ramp next to her house threw Crisco Oil on her
dog, and they are throwing litter into her yard. The Commission asked the Police Chief to
investigate.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned..
C~Y CLERK
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