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The City Commission of the City of Sanford, Florida met in Work Session on Monday, June 26, 2000, at
3:30 o' clock P.M. in the City Manager' s Conference Room, Sanford City Hall, 300 North Park Avenue, Sanford, Florida.
Present:
Mayor-Commissioner Larry A. Dale
Commissioner Whitey Eckstein
Commissioner Velma H. Williams
City Manager Tony VanDerworp
City Clerk Janet R. Dougherty
Absent:
Commissioner Brady Lessard
City Attorney William L. Colbert
The Chairman called the meeting to order.
Sale of City owned property.
City Manager VanDerworp reported that in March the Commission had authorized staff to proceed with
appraisals on four properties. The appraisal on the Old Log Cabin property and the Old FPL building (the property just
west of City Hall), came in at $492,000 for a 1.58 acre parcel. Both parcels were appraised and the price was discounted
by the price of demolition of the building. Upon request of the Mayor and Commissioner Eckstein, the City Manager
reported he will have the appraisal for the two pieces broken into two separate estimates and bring the figures back to the
Commission.
The French Avenue property at 18th Street appraised at $950,000 for the 10-acre piece. The City has
received a request from First Union Bank to purchase a portion of the French Avenue property (Lots 24 through 29), and
the Bartic has requested the City have just the portion they would like to purchase appraised so they can decide if they are
still interested.
The PBA property, and the Public Works Complex, a total of 7.42 acres, values at $1.19 million. Staff has
requested direction to proceed with developing a replacement cost for the Public Works Complex on a piece of property
the City owns off of Sanford Avenue, just northwest of the Airport property. The property is about 13 acres and is
currently being used for storage of materials, etc.
After extensive discussion City Manager VanDerworp reported he will provide the information to the
Commission they have requested; provide the information to the County; and come back to the Commission with respect
to marketing the properties, with the First Union Bank property appraisals for just lots 24 through 29, and with the site plan
and replacement costs of the Public Works Complex.
Mayor Dale reported he felt the Public Works Complex property was undervalued, it should be worth about
$4.00 or $5.00 a square foot, instead of less than $2.30 a square foot. He would like the appraiser questioned on how he
came up with the appraised value on that property. City Manager VanDerworp reported he would get with the appraiser
on that issue. Mayor Dale asked about the value of the Golf Course property and the City Manager reported the appraisal
has been ordered by the City Attomey but it is not completed yet. City Manager VanDerworp reported that the First Union
Bank property is large enough to sell the piece requested by the Bank, and still accommodate a future office structure
(Public Safety Complex) including a new fire station. A Public Safety Building, or even replacement of City Hall, would
fit on the property left after selling the Bank the requested piece, and none of the frontage would be lost.
Purchase of a 3-acre wooded parcel contiguous to Hovnanian Park from ZOM Development.
City Manager VanDerworp reported the City has received a request from ZOM Development to sell the
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City a three-acre site next to Hovnanian Park for $37,500.00, their purchase price in 1987. This calculates to a little more
than $10,000 an acre, and the property is currently appraised at $30,000 an acre. If directed, this purchase would be made
from the Park Impact Fee Fund. Staff recommends purchasing this property and adding it to Hovnanian Park, which is
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slated for a future Community Park. This purchase will be considered at tonight's meeting.
Political Campaign Sign Ordinance amendments.
Charles Rowe, Community Development Director, reported Staff recommends referring this amendment to
Schedule K in §3.4 of the City of Sanford Land Development Regulations to the Planning and Zoning Commission for
review and recommendation as required by the LDR. Mayor Dale reported he would like an Ordinance to be adopted
before qualifying in July for the County Elections. Mr. Rowe was requested to have an Ordinance prepared for first
reading at tonight's meeting.
Downtown Master Plan.
Jay Marder, Director of Engineering and Planning, introduced Ginger Corless and Benoy Panicker of
Herbert-Hallback, Inc., who provided a short presentation of the Draft Proposed Downtown Master Plan. They also have
compiled a report, half of which is a marketing piece and real estate analysis by Real Estate Research, Inc., and the other
half is plans, etc. The last draft of the report is still being compiled. When the report is completed it will be done digitally
as well, and put on a CD, and then it can be placed on a web site, and also the City can change it easily.
Mr. Panicker distributed a list of seven topics included in the Plan ElementS, namely: Marketing Piece,
Redevelopmerit Strategy and Action Plan, Existing Map and Inventory of Potential Sites, Market Analysis and
Infrastructure, Overlay Map of Marketable Uses, Summary of Past Planning and Marketing Studies and Urban Design
Opportunities. He spoke briefly on each topic and referred to maps of "Opportunity Sites" within the downtown CRA
boundary. The "Opportunity Sites" are based on the tax records and discussion with the City Staff, and what the
consultants feel are important sites in relation to the visions of the City of Sanford. Mr. Panicker reported they have
created a document that will be a good tool to give to potential developers to let them know what Sanford has to offer.
Commissioner Eckstein reported one important aspect of Sanford that is not included in this Master Plan is
the airport, and it needs to be included to successfully market Sanford. The Commission concurred. City Manager
VanDerworp reported he will be coming back to the Commission with proposed infrastructure needs and a proposed action
plan. He also reported that potential developers might be looking for educational opportunities in the area, and the
Community College has major training, and UCF is just a few minutes away, so maybe the regional context should be
captured a little better. The Commission concurred that this marketing document could be a great tool with some
polishing and inclusion of some regional assets. Commissioner Willjams reported the international trade potential at the
airport should also be included. .
Riverwalk and Bicycle/Pedestrian projects.
Jay Marder, Director of Engineering and Planning, reported that the City has been informed it will be
getting its Certification as a Local Government for the Local Government Program. This will give the City the ability to
administer the Riverwalk Project through the Department of Transportation. The Riverwalk is in FDOT's work program
at this time, and it is going to be placed in the MPO's Transportation Improvement Program which isn't a necessity, but it
has been discussed with them.
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Mr. Marder reported that the State Road 46 mobility project (sidewalks on the south side of SR 46 between
Airport Boulevard and I-4), which is a $1 million project, has received high rankings which should lead to its funding for
2005/2006. The Park Drive sidewalks (the angled street of Park Avenue between 17-92 and 251h Street) and the 15th
Street (Goldsboro School) sidewalks have also received high rankings for funding for 2005/2006. Commissioner Willjams
reported she has a concern in waiting five years for the sidewalk at the Goldsboro School to be installed, and wondered if
there was more the Commission could do to get it installed sooner. Mr. Marder reported that one of the options the City
has once it receives its Local Agency Program Certification is that it can "upfront" these projects to the extent that it
desires to do so, and get reimbursed in that year. The 15th Street sidewalk is a $100,000 project. The Mellonville Avenue
sidewalk is progressing, as well as the 17-92 project from Park Drive to Flea Wo~d.
1st Street Gateway concepts.
Jay Marder, Director of Engineering and Planning, reported the City has been working with the County to
put mast arms at 1st Street, 3rd Street and 13th Street. The property owner did not want the City to construct an entry
feature at the northeast comer of the intersection of 1st Street and 17-92. One preliminary thought is to erect decorative
logo-type signage that would be attached to the mast head, to make an identification type of entry way, but Staff has not
developed anything yet. The City is open to ideas and recommendations on this issue.
ltistorie District Street Lighting.
Jerry Herman, Public Works Director, reported two of his employees, Butch Strine and Charles Hargrove,
have been working with representatives of the Historic District to set up methods to put historic lighting in the Historic
District. Three options were presented to the Commission to consider. Mr. Hargrove explained that FPL has suggested a
light which could be used at a cost of $5,000 per light, with an additional cost estimate of 2% for engineering design. He
reported the committee from the Historic District and Staff has designated the area for historic lighting to be from 3rd
Street to 13th Street, and from 17-92 to Sanford Avenue, and are recommending the option whereby historic lights would
be put mid-block on the north and south streets and the east and west streets, leaving the existing lights at the intersections.
(Mayor Dale left the meeting briefly and returned.)
Mr. Herman reported Staff recommends establishing a Special Lighting District via a City Resolution, but a
methodology for payment needs to be determined. One of the fairest ways to figure payment is square footage by parcel,
but many districts go by front footage. This will be mandatory, but all affected citizens can speak at the public hearing.
Mayor Dale requested the City create a mechanism by which Street Lighting Districts will be set up for those who submit a
petition with signatures of 50% plus one of the owners in that district, and to bill owners on their tax bills. City Manager
VanDerworp reported he will check into that procedure. (Commissioner Eckstein left the meeting briefly and retumed.)
Mayor Dale would like this agendized.
Repairs to brick bnildinl~ at Evergreen Cemetery.
Mike Kirby, Recreation Director, reported the City received one bid from C.F. Tuohey Construction Co.,
Inc. in the amount of $19,988.00. Acceptance of this bid will be voted on tonight.
Wrecker allocation Ordinance.
City Manager VanDerworp reported the City has an Ordinance which requires wrecker operators be located
in the City limits if the City is to use their services. Mayor Dale and the City Manager are recommending expanding that
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area to within two miles of the City limits. This was precipitated by Butch's Towing moving to the Port of Sanford.
Commissioner Eckstein reported the City should give business to those operators located within the City of Sanford. City
Manager VanDerworp reported he will get a list of operators in the City and the radius to the Port of Sanford and report
back to the Commission at tonight's regular meeting.
RFP for Insurance Broker.
City Manager VanDerworp reported Staff was directed by the Commission to prepare proposals for
insurance companies, and since then it has been discovered that the County does an RFP for a broker, and the broker finds
the best deal. Mayor Dale reported the County used a broker for its Major Medical and Workers Compensation, and it
used a consultant for property and liability, or vice versa. This will be voted on tonight.
Dog waste Ordinance.
Howard Jeffries, Parks Superintendent, reported the City is getting numerous complaints, especially from
citizens living near Touhey Park. Also, City workers who maintain the park are complaining they are getting dog waste on
them, their equipment, and in their vehicles. Sanford does not have an animal waste Ordinance. Seminole County,
Altamonte Springs, Lake Mary, Windemere, Winter Park and Longwood all have animal waste Ordinances. Staff is
proposing an addendum to the City Code which would require an owner to clean up behind his pets. This would be
enforced through the Police Chief, who is the animal control officer for the City. Staff is proposing a fine of up to $500.
The proposed addition to the Sanford City Code Section 4-42 (g) Violations and Prohibited Acts is as follows:
It shall be unlawful for any animal owner or keeper to permit, either willfully or through
failure to exercise due care and control any animal to soil, defile, urinate or defecate on any
private or public property or facility, including but not limited to parks, public rights of way,
sidewalks, stairways, other than that of the owners or keepers property without expressed or
implied consent. Should any animal commit any of these acts, the owners or keepers of said
animal shall be responsible for the prompt removal and proper disposal of any excretion
deposited by said animal.
The City Code, in that chapter, states: The violation of any provision of this Article shall be punishable by a fine not
exceeding $500, imprisonment for a term of 90 days, or both. Mayor Dale reported that Orlando has a dog waste
Ordinance but it is not enforced. Commissioner Eckstein reported it could be limited to City parks if that is where the
problem is. Mr. Jeffries was asked to check into the possibility of this Ordinance pertaining to just City parks, and also if
it could be enforced by a Code Enforcement citation. (Commissioner Williams left the meeting.)
CPIt Engineering contract amendment to design and build restroom and control building at Chase Park.
A representative from CPH Engineers reported the contract amendment price of $89,750 is to design and
build the restroom and control building at Chase Park.
Airport Authority appointments.
Mayor Dale reported there will be five members of the Airport Authority Board whose terms are expiring
this year. He would like to reappoint those members on a staggered appointment basis like the terms were when the Board
was originally created. Commissioner Eckstein agreed to make the reappointments on a staggered basis at tonight's
regular meeting.
RFP for Bealth Insurance Broker.
Gene Gizzi, representative for the City's health insurance, reported he had been working as the City's
broker for health insurance for the past eight or nine years. He asked that the health insurance be struck from the RFP for
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an insurance broker. He reported right now the City is caught up in an acquisition because the company that the City is
using has been bought out by Aetna, and he would like to continue working with City Staff to get the best deal on health
insurance for the City.
Them being no further business, the meeting was adjoumed.
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The City Commission of the City of Sanford, Florida met in Regular Meeting on June 26, 2000, at 7:00
o'clock P.M. in the City Commission Room, City Hall, 300 North Park Avenue, Sanford, Florida.
Present: Mayor-Commissioner Larry A. Dale
Commissioner Whitey Eckstein
Commissioner Velma H. Williams
City Attomey William L. Colbert
City Manager Anthony VanDerworp
City Clerk Janet R. Dougherty
Absent: Commissioner Brady Lessard
The Chairman called the meeting to order.
Presentation: Mayor Dale presented to Howard Jeffries, Parks Superintendent, the Trees Florida 2000 Award for "2000
Outstanding Small Township" which was received by the City for outstanding efforts to plan, plant and protect urban and
community forests throughout Florida.
Citizen participation.
Mary Greenwell, 2109 Magnolia Avenue, reported she was interested in saving the Velma Mitchell Annex
building that the School Board of Seminole County is trying to sell. She reported a lot of people believe that bu/lding
could be useful to the citizens as a community center, senior citizens center, or for other municipal uses. Mayor Dale
reported the building has water standing in the basement, and there are asbestos problems, but he has met with Paul
Haggerty and Diane Kramer regarding donating the building to the City if they do not get any acceptable bids. They are
supposed to get back to him this week.
Roger Dowdy, 508 Grandview Avenue N., reported he would like to address the crime situation in Sanford.
He reported he was told the City was divided into areas, with each area assigned to an officer. If the officer is busy when a
call comes in, the call goes unanswered until that officer is available, unless it is a violent crime. If this is true Sanford is
in deep trouble. He reported his family has experienced three car thefts from their home in the last six months, four since
they moved here. One of the thefts was reported within one half hour of the theft. There was no response at all, and it is
highly probable that the car was still on the move and the culprits could have been caught, had the department reacted.
There have been 220 car thefts in Sanford since the first of the year, at this rate it will be over 400 by the end of the year.
One of his neighbors reported a burglary in progress, and it was forty-five minutes before there was a response. He asked
if these problems were because the Sanford Police Department is under-manned, because there is not enough money to
hire sufficient personnel, or does Sanford train police officers for the County or other departments to recruit and hire
because they have more and better benefits? He also asked if Sanford could do with a lot less beautification and sidewalks
and concentrate its efforts on its most pressing issue? He reported he understood Sanford has about the highest taxes in
Central Florida, if this is so why can't Sanford hire enough police officers to handle a seemingly out-of-control crime
frequency. He understands the situation is bad elsewhere and the frustration the police must feel, he is sympathetic to
them because they are in a most difficult situation. He does not know the answer, but he does know that something needs
to be done, and if everyone puts their heads together they can come up with a workable answer. The Sheriff in a
neighboring County just announced today that he is not going to run again, and he did a lot and got the sidewalks back for
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the people in that County. He pleaded with the Commission to please help the citizens of Sanford.
Mayor Dale reported Sanford is understaffed fight now, even to the full staffing positions. On Friday he
met with the administration officials, and Sanford is nine people understaffed with the current budget. Five police officers
have been hired in the last several weeks. Sanford is undermanned in funded positions fight now, and whether it is
undermanned beyond that is something that is being looked at during the budget process fight now. When the City first
started reorganizing the police department, there was a lot of resistance because it was something new, and people resent
change. The people that were saying there were problems were the first people to say they don't want the police
department picked on. An outside consultant was hired to assess the police department, and a lot of the policies that were
recommended by that consultant have been implemented. Sanford has a new police chief, there are several new people in
administration both from promotions and from outside, Captain McCoy and Chief Tooley both came in from outside.
Mayor Dale reported he has met with the State Attorney on several occasions, and met with him, Captain
McCoy and Chief Tooley last week to talk about what the police need to do when they make an arrest to ensure they have
what is required to go through prosecution. He also has met with several judges regarding the same thing. There are some
victims in Sanford that tum soft-hearted when they prosecute, and when it is a juvenile they don't even want to prosecute.
The citizens have to help the police by prosecuting to the point of punishment by law. It has to be a community effort to
get tough on crime.
Mayor Dale reported the police department does put calls on hold, and using the Sheriffs personnel for
those calls has been discussed, since the citizens of Sanford pay taxes for the Sheriff as well as for the police. City
Manager VanDerworp reported the police department now has a training program, and is in the process of becoming a
certified department (which normally takes three to five years, but the administration is trying to expedite that). Several
officers have just been hired and twenty-five more are in the process of being interviewed, with the potential of four or five
more officers being hired. Mayor Dale pointed out that there were several police officers in attendance at tonight' s
meeting who came on their own time because they care, to show their support of the citizens and their frustration of how
things are.
Robert Welch, South Holly Avenue, reported he just listened to fifteen minutes of dialog from the Mayor
that was totally useless. He and his wife own several rental properties in and around Maple, Holly, 3rd Street, etc., and
they moved to Holly so they could be involved in the neighborhood watches. They have chased prostitutes off of four
different comers and out of the woods, and they are still there. His wife cannot work in the yard without the prostitutes
walking by and hollering obscenities at her. His fence has been knocked down twice and he has received threatening
phone calls in the middle of the night. There has got to be a stop to it. This has been going on for five or six years and it is
getting worse, not better.
Mayor Dale said he would like Mr. Welch to sit in the Mayor' s seat and go through what he has for the last
three and one half years, and have someone say that he was dialoging. He has worked hard as Mayor of the City to try to
get a handle on crime, and he is continuing to do so. He is as frustrated as the citizens, but he does not have the answers.
Mayor Dale reported if Mr. Welch has the answers he should come to the Mayor' s office and tell him what they are and
they will be done. Mayor Dale further stated he is not dialoging, he is trying to find the answers. Mr. Welch reported he
wanted to go on record saying, "this has got to stop."
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Monarcha Marcet, 801 South Park Avenue, reported she had a disturbing experience and she wanted to
relay some information to any police officer and there was not one available at the police station. She was also told that
the dispatch had been taken from that location and now goes through Seminole County. This was a Friday evening after
dark, about 6:30 p.m. or 7:00 p.m. She reported that any time after working hours you pick up the phone and you talk to a
phone. You are standing out on French Avenue (17-92) and you feel very vulnerable, and it is a bad feeling.
Ms. Marcet reported she needs make a correction to the minutes of the last work session, June 12. The line
that reads: "Mayor Dale said the City' s present Land Development Regulation does not allow trees to be planted in the
right-of-way and cannot be planted within ten feet of the sidewalk", should be "within a ten foot by ten foot area." Mayor
Dale reported he was asking Staffif the City had that criteria. Ms. Marcet reported that Mr. Jeffries told her just a little
while ago that it was a 10 foot by 10 foot area. Also, she reported that farther down in the minutes Mayor Dale made the
statement, "Until it can be determined how to deal with the tree issue", and she would like to know if that means the
sidewalks have to wait to be repaired, and who is to determine how to deal with the tree issue, and what time frame do
they have to do that?
Mayor Dale reported he is not saying that those sidewalks that can be repaired would have to wait, but he is
not going to allow large trees to be cut and to die and then have some citizen complain because the trees are being killed.
Ms. Marcet reported she is just looking for a little more in-depth explanation. Mayor Dale reported as one Commissioner,
and the Mayor, he is not going to direct Staff to cut the roots on a big oak tree that has been there for a hundred years, and
kill it. Ms. Marcet reported she is not asking for trees to be cut, she is just asking for an explanation. The Mayor said that
is his explanation. Ms. Marcet again asked who is making the determination and what time frame do they have? City
Manager VanDerworp reported he will probably be making a recommendation to the Commission in the next four to six
weeks. Ms. Marcet asked if the sidewalk repairs had to wait until after the budget. Mayor Dale reported there are some
sidewalk repairs being done now. Jerry Herman, Public Works Director, reported some sidewalks are being repaired but
none that were on the list. Ms. Marcet reported Anthony Drive is not on the list, and that is being incorporated into some
kind of a repiping project. She is talking about the ones on the list. Mayor Dale reported the ones on the list are not being
worked on because this program will be funded in next year's budget. Ms. Marcet asked why the repairs have to wait until
this program begins in October. Mayor Dale reported because it is not funded now. Ms. Marcet reported it is funded with
$75,000. Mayor Dale reported that is the sidewalks that are being worked on now. Mr. Herman reported that work was
not to be done until he had received a prioritization list. He has received that list but was directed to come back to the
Commission. Mayor Dale asked if the City was going to wait till October to spend the money budgeted for this year. Mr.
Herman reported "no," and reported he was waiting on the prioritization list on that program to resolve some of the tree
issues in those sections before proceeding with the repairs. Mayor Dale reported they should be repairing the ones that
don't have trees. Ms. Marcet reported she thought prioritization was already established with the new list. Mayor Dale
reported that is what he thought, also. He thought it was decided to go ahead and prioritize the ones that did not have the
big tree problems and begin funding those that are funded in this year' s budget. Ms. Marcet reported she thought they
were going to be put out for bid.
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issues, but part of that was to try to find segments that did not have tree issues to deal with and use this years funding for
them. Ms. Marcet reported that is not being done according to Mr. Herman. City Manager VanDerworp reported it is not
being done this week, those projects are being identified and reported to the Commission in four to six weeks. Ms. Marcet
asked if one person could go out and examine those areas and find those in about a day or two, because they already have
the first year's list, and most of them are centrally located within the Historic District. City Manager VanDerworp
reported it is a little more complicated than that, particularly when you are trying to get contractors on board. Ms. Marcet
asked if the City has prepared its. paperwork as far as putting it out to bid? City Manager VanDerworp reported no, it has
not. Ms. Marcet reported with cooperation from the City like this she finds it very hard, and also with the issues about
prostitution on the street and knowing that drug deals are going on in the lower income areas and other areas of the City, it
makes it very difficult to want to invest in the Sanford.
Virgil Hurley reported he was here specifically at the request of Mr. Dowdy because of his situation, and
the only thing that he believes from what he has heard up to this point is that there is a lot of frustration in the citizens, in
the Commission, and in the police ranks. The police's hands are tied by the restrictions and rules that are put on them. He
reported that he does not see this issue on tonight' s agenda to be addressed, yet everyone seems to be aware there is a
problem. Until this issue is at the top of the list every time the Commission has a work session, maybe it should stop being
talked about and be put on a list to do. He reported he is not trying to be critical, he is just saying looking at today's
agenda it does not seem to be something that was being prioritized coming into this meeting tonight, and maybe that is
something that ought to be looked at in the future.
City Manager VanDerworp reported that different groups of topics have to be agendized, such as Master
Planning Topics which were on the Work Session today, and a few months ago several hours were spent on Police
Department issues. He reported he would provide a transcript of that Work Session to anybody that wants one. In the
Work Session the Commission discussed at length the changes that are being made, and the fifty or so actions that have
been instituted. This thing cannot be taken out of context, and the City Manager will provide that information to anyone
who is interested. Mayor Dale reported he is open to suggestions from Mr. Hurley, Mr. Dowdy, or anyone else.
Mrs. Dowdy, 508 Grandview Avenue North, reported she had talked to people on Grandview, Hibiscus and
Lily, and they all said they were very much in favor of the police. She got very good reports, then she found out none of
them had been victimized, so they didn't have occasion to require any response time. They were all very interested in
doing a neighborhood watch, so she would like to get with Officer Kennedy and set up a neighborhood watch. But she
would like to report that on Saturday and Sunday she was told that she should not be attacking the Police Department. She
stated, "Don't call my home and threaten me and tell me not to bring up these issues." She does not know who called
because they were not gutsy enough to leave their name. And also, she was told by a Seminole County officer that she
should not be attacking this Police Department, but she is going to attack it until they get something done. She cannot wait
five years, in threes years she will have twenty-four cars stolen if something isn't done about this, and she won't be able to
drive a car because she won't be able to afford insurance. She will attack the Police Department until something is done
to help them (the Police Department) and to help her and Mr. I2~dy. She reported she had talked to Chris Serena and
another officer, and Mr. Serena gave her some enlightening dett~ about the Police Department and how they are up
against so much that it is hard to do a lot of things, ana~ appreciated his co~menti. He gave her all the information she
asked for and went to great lengths to get the informalt't~n to her. Mike Taylo~ ~ed her, when the Police were doing a
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Sting Operation, that he was going to be out in her neighborhood and she appreciated that, and she slept for one night
without being worried about being broken into or her car being stolen. It is not funny when you get up in the middle of the
night and you look out to see if your car is still there or if anything is going on in your neighborhood; you hear noises and
you get up. You do not want to see my husband running outside with his gun, and I don't want to see him do that, but that
is what it has come to; now we grab the gun to go out there. She knows Mrs. Welch has also been threatened, and she
doesn't intend to be threatened, for attacking the Police Department, and if that is what it takes to get something done, she
will continue to attack. She would like to see something done to help the officers and to retain the officers, she knows we
have lost a lot of good officers to Seminole County, but she thinks a lot more could be done on their part, too.
Mayor Dale reported he could not disagree with Mrs. Dowdy, and he has criticized the Police Department
with what he considers constructive criticism. He has been attacked in the papers as being an autocrat and saying he
doesn't own the City, and other things, when he was working on behalf of the taxpayers to bring accountability and
responsibility to them.
Monarcha Marcet reported she had been given conflicting information from a police officer and from an
officer in a higher position. She was told by a police officer that there were no undercover police vehicles in the City of
Sanford, and then a higher official told her that there were undercover vehicles. She would like to get an answer from
someone who knows. Mayor Dale reported some things he will not talk about so he does not advertise what Sanford has.
Ms. Marcet reported she does not want to know what they are, she just got conflicting information which seems to happen
quite often. The Mayor reported the City does have undercover vehicles. Ms. Marcet reported in the last meeting she had
raised the question how undercover Sting Operations could be done without undercover type vehicles, and it surprised her
when the officer said Sanford didn't have any, but they do. Mayor Dale said yes, or the City gets them provided.
Nell Snow, 176 Woodridge Trail, reported some time ago the Commission talked about having a Memorial
for Sanford's veterans, and in the beginning she was holding out to have it in Ft. Mellon Park, because it was promised that
a little sliver of that park would be saved after the development of the hotel complex. After two meetings of their group,
they have come up with a marvelous idea that is still in the works, and she can not talk about it yet, but she is very
enthusiastic about it, and she thinks everybody in the City will be very proud of it when it is done. Ms. Snow asked if the
Memorial would be put on the point at Memorial Park, where the band shell used to be, if so, it should not be done until
the bulkhead is repaired, so is there any time frame on when that work will be'done? Mayor Dale reported repair of the
seawall/bulkhead will be in this year's budget, and probably one of the first parts to be repaired will be the park area where
the band shell was. The price for those repairs will be about $250,000.
Roger Dowdy, 508 Grandview Avenue North, asked if there had been any discussion about improving the
street lighting in Sanford? The streets are not well lit, and it might be some small help with their problem. Mayor Dale
reported the City has begun to work on street lighting and staffing a lot of issues on street lighting.
Approval of minutes.
Mayor Dale reported there is one change to the minutes, it does state that he said ten foot, and his question
to staff was did we not have a ten foot setback for sidewalks, so if it is a 10 by 10 square he stands corrected, but his
comment was more of a question than a statement. Commissioner Eckstein moved to approve the corrected minutes of the
June 12, 2000 Work Session and Regular Meeting. Seconded by Commissioner Williams and carried by vote of the
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Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Public hearine and second readin~ of Ordinance No. 3559 to amend the Monterey Oaks Master Plan to establish a
10 foot minimum rear yard buildin~ setback requirement for screened porches. with stipulations: Maronda homes,
Inc. of Florida, applicant. Ad published May 11, 2000, tabled at the May 22, 2000 City Commission meeting.
Jay Marder, Director of Engineering and Planning, reported at~er the input and further review of the site
from the previous meeting, Staff has been working with the builder, as well as the developer, to ensure that the one-foot
swale on the south side of the property is built to the approved plans. Staff has been provided with a survey that shows
that the construction of the swale is in compliance with the approved engineering plans of January, 1999. Staff has
modified its recommendation in recognition of the narrowness of the ten-foot easement to exclude lots 78 through 88,
which are those lots that are located on the south side of the subdivision, from the setback change of 15 feet to 10 feet.
The setback will remain 15 feet on all other lots.
Jim McNeil, on behalf of Maronda Homes, reported the issue with the developer has been resolved and the
swale has been excavated to the proper depth per the approved construction plans. Maronda Homes is in complete
concurrence with the Staff report and recommendations.
Benjamin James, 119 Spanish Bay Drive, reported the owners of lots in Monterey Oaks were not informed
regarding drainage or anyone tampering with the back of their yards or making a ditch. It is a hazard to them. It is much
more than a one-foot swale. They would like some feedback on what is going on in their yards. Mr. James' wife reported
she fell in the back yard, and when she was speaking with Tom from Maronda Homes last week they could hardly stand in
the back yard. They are the last lot before it drains into the retention pond so they have the biggest drop. They are the
only house that has a standard 4 X 7 patio because that is all they could afford, but they had planned on adding a porch in
the future. The back yard now starts with a 4 X 7 slab and goes down about four feet. She fears that when their baby
leams to walk it will drown in the back yard. They would just like the yard graded so they can stand and walk in it. Mr.
James reported the whole block is like that, their yard is just the worst on the block. Mrs. James reported that when they
bought the lot she took pictures of it, and it was a flat lot and she understood there was a ten-foot environmental easement.
Mayor Dales reported the subdivision plan has already been approved by both the St. Johns River Water
Management DistTict and the City, or the James' house could never have been built. The issue tonight is the setback. The
topographical on the plans shows that their lot is not a flat lot, there is a significant drop. Mrs. James reported they already
took nine inches off the foundation before they built the house because it was too high. She stood out there when they
cleared the lot and the bottom of the house was over her head (she is 4' 11"). It has now gotten progressively worse.
City Attorney Colbert reported what the Commission is considering tonight is the setback issue. The City
can verify if the construction which occurred on the lot is in accordance with the previously approved plans of the City. If
it is in accordance, then the grade of the lot would not be a City issue but one between the de, teloper and the property
owner. The City would not be able to intervene if the construction has occurred in accor~ with a~approved plan.
James Gallo, 117 Spanish Bay Drive (lot 80), reported he is in the~ction business it!~,~ he does not
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believe the swale is done according to the plans. He went to the back of the swale, the top of the swale where they put the
grass in, and ran a line at the level straight back, and across his property he measured twenty to twenty four inches. That is
much more than the twelve inches across the ten-foot or fifteen-foot easement. At fifteen feet that is less than an inch that
it is going to go down and come back up. Mr. Gallo reported when the swale was a foot deep it was rejected, so this is the
third time they have dug deeper. Mr. Marder reported the City required the developer to dig the swale according to plan,
they provided the City a profile which was reviewed and did not meet the one-foot requirement, so they dug it deeper and
provided the City pictures all the way up and down, and it looks pretty doggone close. One of the residents stated,
"Doggone close, how about measuring it, sir?" Mr. Marder reported it is measured if the gentleman would like to look at
the information that was provided to the City by Cavone. Mayor Dale asked who Cavone was, because Lochrane
Engineering was the surveyor of record, and Madden was the engineer for Lochrane.
Commissioner Willjams asked if it would be appropriate for someone from the City Staff or appropriate
person to measure the swale to validate that it is as it should be, as opposed to measuring it from a document. Mayor Dale
agreed that because of the discrepancies reported by Mr. Gallo Staff needs to measure the swale.
Mr. James, and his neighbors, reported they were told that the land behind lots 79 and 80 was a designated
wetland, so maybe the water could be drained into that land. Mayor Dale said that is private property, and even if it were a
designated wetland the water could not be drained onto private property.
Tom Greenwalt, 1101 Maitland Avenue, a representative of Maronda Homes, reported his understanding
from the last Commission meeting was that Maronda was to use the resources they had to get the drainage easement in the
way the drawing showed. Keith Summers, the Production Manager for Maronda Homes, called each of the homeowners to
let them know that the work had to be done. It took about two to two and a half weeks to get the work started, they cut the
swale, they switched over to Cavone Engineering because they felt the engineer may not be respected by the City
Commission due to the engineer sending a letter stating the old swale was existing and was only six inches deep and that
swale was adequate. The work was done and Cavone completed the survey and got verification from the City, and then
they told the landscaper he could put the sod down. Maronda is taking the responsibility to get the sod back down and get
the grass growing again, fertilized, etc. Also, as an appeasement to the homeowners in Monterey Oaks, because none of
this was their fault, Maronda offered four different landscaping packages to them.
Mayor Dale reported his frustration is because the Commission made a mistake in approving this shallow of
a lot on that big of an elevation difference on a rear lot swale. The issue at hand tonight is whether or not to approve the
lots that are flat for a 1 O-foot setback so that they can have screened patios, understanding that the other lots cannot.
Commissioner Eckstein moved to deny Ordinance No. 3559. Seconded by Commissioner Willjams.
Commissioner Willjams asked if this was denied would the applicant have to wait to bring it back to the Commission.
City Attomey Colbert reported there are some things in the City Code which an applicant would have to wait to bring back
to the Commission, but this is not one of them. If they did bring it back they would have to start over with a first and
second reading and go through the entire process. Commissioner Eckstein asked what the City could do to help these
homeowners. Mayor Dale reported they could probably do something that would fix their problem but it would compound
the problem of the lady that owns the property behind them, because if you raise the lots so they are flat her property will
be taking the water. One of the homeowners suggested they could put a retaining wall up and Commissioner Eckstein said
that is more what he was thinking. Mayor Dale said that would cost a whole lot of money. Commissioner Eckstein
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rescinded his motion and Commission Williams rescinded her second. Commission Eckstein moved to table Ordinance
No. 3559. Seconded by Commissioner Willjams and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
First reading of Ordinance No. 3567 to annex .71 acres of property lying between 5th Street and Jewett Lane and
between Belle Avenue extended southerly and Brown Avenue extended southerly (2681 W. 5th Street): Clyde &
Marion Emory, owners.
Ordinance No. 3567 was read by title. On recommendation of the City Manager, Commissioner Eckstein
moved on the first reading of Ordinance 3567, entitled:
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SANFORD, FLORIDA, TO ANNEX WITHIN THE
CORPORATE AREA OF THE CITY OF SANFORD, tIPON ADOPTION OF SAID
ORDINANCE, A PORTION OF THAT CERTAIN PROPERTY LYING BETWEEN 5TH
STREET AND JEWETT LANE AND BETWEEN BELLE AVENUE EXTENDED
SOUTHERLY AND BROWN AVENUE EXTENDED SOUTHERLY; IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION PROVISIONS OF SECTION 171.044,
FLORIDA STATUTES; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, CONFLICTS AND
EFFECTIVE DATE.
Seconded by Commissioner Williams and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
First reading of Ordinance No. 3568 to annex .52 acres of property lying between High Way and By Way and
between Cypress Avenue extended southerly and Sanford Avenue (3905 S. Sanford Avenue). Randilee H. Nelson,
owner.
Ordinance No. 3568 was read by title. On recommendation of the City Manager, Commissioner Eckstein
moved on the first reading of Ordinance No. 3568, entitled:
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SANFORD, FLORIDA, TO ANNEX WITHIN THE
CORPORATE AREA OF THE CITY OF SANFORD, UPON ADOPTION OF SAID
ORDINANCE, 0.52 ACRES OF PROPERTY LYING BETWEEN HIGH WAY AND BY
WAY AND BETWEEN CYPRESS AVENUE EXTENDED SOUTHERLY AND
SANFORD AVENUE; IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION
PROVISIONS OF SECTION 171.044, FLORIDA STATUTES; PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, CONFLICTS AND EFFECTIVE DATE.
Seconded by Commissioner Willjams and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
First reading of Ordinance No. 3569 to amend Code of Ordinances to include wrecker operators located within a
two (2) mile :radius of the City on the City's wrecker rotation list.
Mayor Dale reported there are five towing services in the City of Sanford: McCall Moters, Sanford Towing,
Athens Towing, Butch's Towing and Recovery, and Seminole Paint and Body. Police Chief Tooley reported all five are
active and on the City's rotation list. The Ordinance tonight is to extend the regular rotation list to towing services that are
within a two mile radius of the City. Commissioner Eckstein reported several years ago the wrecker services were put on a
rotating basis to get competitive prices. He asked if the City was satisfied with the service it is receiving fight now. The
Police Department reported they had not heard any Complaints as far as the service, response, etc. Mayor Dale asked if it
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would be a problem if one of them was taken out of the loop. The Police Department reported not that it could see.
Ordinance No. 3569 was read by title. On recommendation of the Mayor, Commissioner Eckstein moved
to table Ordinance No. 3569, entitled:
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SANFORD, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 17,
MOTOR VEHICLES AND TRAFFIC, ARTICLE V, WRECKER QUALIFICATIONS AND
ALLOCATION SYSTEM, SECTION 17-73 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE
CITY OF SANFORD TO INCLUDE ON THE CITY' S WRECKER ROTATION LIST
THOSE WRECKER OPERATORS LOCATED WITHIN A TWO (2) MILE RADIUS OF
THE CITY OF SANFORD; PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION; PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, CONFLICTS AND EFFECTIVE DATE.
Seconded by Commissioner Williams and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Willjams Aye
Adopt Resolution No. 1847 re: Historic Sanford Memorial Stadium Line of Credit loan.
Resolution No. 1847 was read by title. On recommendation of the City Manager, Commissioner Eckstein
moved to adopt Resolution No. 1847, entitled:
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF SANFORD, FLORIDA PROVIDING FOR THE
ACQUISITION, CONSTRUCTION AND ERECTION OF CERTAIN CAPITAL
IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF SANFORD, FLORIDA; AUTHORIZING THE
ISSUANCE OF NO EXCEEDING $1,750,000 SPECIAL FACILITY REVENUE BONDS
TO FINANCE A PORTION OF THE COST THEREOF; PLEDGING REVENUES
PURSUANT TO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND CONVENANTING TO
BUDGET AND APPROPRIATE ALL LEGALLY AVAILABLE NON-AD VALOREM
REVENUES TO SECURE THE PAYMENT THEREOF; PROVIDING FOR A
NEGOTIATED SALE TO FIRST UNION NATIONAL BANK; PROVIDING FOR THE
RIGHTS OF THE HOLDERS OF SUCH BONDS; PROVIDING CERTAIN OTHER
MATTERS IN CONNECTION THEREWITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Seconded by Commissioner Williams and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Authorize purchase of a 3-acre wooded parcel contiguous to Hovnanian Park from ZOM Development, subject to
property being surveved and with title and environmental assessments found favorable.
Mayor Dale reported the price would be $37,500. On recommendation of the City Manager, Commissioner
Eckstein moved to authorize purchase of the property. Seconded by Commissioner Willjams and carried by vote of the
Commission as follows:
Mayor-CommissionerDale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Approve participation in shared funding of traffic signal at the intersection of Airport Boulevard and Placid Lake
Drive (City's share is $10,000, from LOGT funds) and authorize transfer of $10.000 from Repair/Replacement Streets
to Traffic Signals.
On recommendation of the City Manager, Commissioner Eckstein moved to approve participation in the
shared funding and authorize a transfer of $10,000. Seconded by Commissioner Willjams and carried by vote of the
Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Willjams Aye
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Approve contract amendment No. 30A. in the amount of $89.750. between the City and CPH Engineers to design
and build restroom and control buildint~ at Chase Park.
Mayor Dale reported this building is also used for concessions. On recommendation of the City Manager,
Commissioner Eckstein moved to approve the contract amendment. Seconded by Commissioner Willjams and carried by
vote of the Commission as follows:
Board appointments/re-appointments.
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Board of Adjustments and Appeals. Janet Dougherty, City Clerk, reported the term of Ross Robert
expires July 23, 2000, and he wishes to be reappointed. Commissioner Eckstein moved to reappoint Ross Robert.
Seconded by Commissioner Williams and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Cemetery Advisory Committee. Janet Dougherty, City Clerk, reported the term of Thelma Mike expires
August 11, 2000 and she wishes to be reappointed. Commissioner Williams moved to reappoint Thelma Mike. Seconded
by Commissioner Eckstein and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Commissioner Eckstein and carried by vote
Central Examining Board. Janet Dougherty, City Clerk, reported the term of Terry Futrell expires August
13, 2000 and he wishes to be reappointed. Commissioner Williams moved to reappoint Terry Futrell. Seconded by
of the Commission as follows:
Sanford Airport Authority.
terms are to expire this year, but they should
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Mayor Dale reported there are five members of the Airport Board whose
have been staggered terms. Commissioner Eckstein moved to reappoint
Sandra Glenn, Ken Wright and Lon Howell for terms to expire September 30, 2004, and Clyde Robertson, Jr. and Colonel
Charles H. Gibson for terms to expire September 30, 2005.
the Commission as follows:
Consent Al~enda.
Seconded by Commissioner Williams and carded by vote of
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Commissioner Williams moved to approve consent agenda items 1-9 as follows:
Accept bid for repairs to brick building at Evergreen Cemetery from C. F. Tuohey Construction Co., Inc.,
the only bidder, for Bid #RFP 99/00-17, in the amount of $19,988.00.
Approve street closure of ! st Street from Oak Avenue to Sanford Avenue, Palmetto Avenue from
Commercial Street to Second Street, Commercial Street from Palmetto Avenue to Sanford Avenue,
Magnolia Avenue from Magnolia Square (First Street) to Helen Stairs Theatre, and Park Avenue from
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Second Street to Commercial Street, from November 9, 2000 at 10:00 a.m. through November 13, 2000 at
6:00 a.m, in conjunction with the Annthai Sanford Heritage Festival. Approve alcoholic beverage sales.
Approve waiver of all fees.
Approve surplus property list of property (vehicle, furniture, etc.) to be sold at auction.
Approve potable water service only to property at 2591 Cameron Avenue, with applicant to pay all costs
associated with hookup; Annexation Petition to be recorded, and City Commission to consider annexation
of the property when it becomes annexable; Dave Reuter, owner.
Approve amendment number 41 to the CPH Engineers Contract for engineering services related to the
construction of a sanitary sewer line on W. 5th Street (near Bevier Ave. to White Cedar Ave.) Fee not to
exceed $24,500.
Approve amendment number 42 to the CPH Engineers Contract for engineering services related to the
construction of utility relocation work on CR 46A. Fee not to exceed $119,940.
Approve right-of-way use agreement for Welaka Building; Sandra Goard, applicant, subject to owners
signature.
Approve agreements for utility relocation work on East Lake Mary Boulevard with CSX Transportation,
Inc., design work to be done by CPH Engineers. The agreements deal with the City's water line at a permit
fee of $4,050 and the City's sewer force-main at a permit fee of $4,150. Funding will come from SRF
loans.
Authorize issuance of a Request for Proposal for an Insurance Broker to represent the City in acquiring
quotes for group health insurance, as well as workers' compensation, automobile, liability, and property
insurance.
Seconded by Commissioner Eckstein and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Add-on items. '~
Mayor-CommissionerDale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
First reading of Ordinance No. 3570 re: amend the LDR. political campaign sien reUulations.
Ordinance No. 3570 was read by title. On recommendation of the City Manager, Commissioner Eckstein
moved on the first reading of Ordinance No. 3570, entitled:
AN ORDNANCE OF THE CITY OF SANFORD, FLORIDA, AMENDING SCHEDULE K
SECTION 3.4 PARAGRAPHS B AND C, POLITICAL CAMPAIGN SIGNS, OF THE CITY
OF SANFORD LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO ALLOW FOR THE
PLACEMENT OF POLITICAL CAMPAIGN SIGNS, AT ANY TIME AFTER THE
CANDIDATE HAS QUALIFIED, AND ALLOWING FOR APPEALS TO THE CITY
COMMISSION FOR CAMPAIGN SIGN DEPOSIT REFUNDS; PROVIDING FOR
CODIFICATION; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, CONFLICTS AND EFFECTIVE
DATE. ,~ -
Seconded by Commissioner Williams and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Dale Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Information only.
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City Manager VanDerworp reported an information item was included in the agenda packet regarding the
Census Sunshine Count 2000, and people who have not received a visit from a Census enumerator. Those people who
have not been visited or received a form should call the toll-free Sunshine Count 2000 number: 1-800-465-3013. Mayor
Dale asked the press to please inform the public that if they had not been contacted or received a form they need to call the
toll free number.
City Attorney's Report.
No report.
City Clerk's Report.
The City Clerk confirmed that each Commissioner had received an agenda for the Budget Work Session on
Thursday, July 6, 2000, at 9:00 a.m. Commissioner Eckstein confirmed that if Commissioner Lessard was unable to attend
the Canvassing Board on June 27 that Commissioner Willjams would be informed and would attend as an alternate. The
City Clerk also confirmed that the Commission would meet on June 28 with a luncheon to be served at 11:30 a.m., and a
meeting will be held at 11:45 a.m. to accept the election returns and swear in the winner, or issue a proclamation to set a
run-offelection.
City Manaeer's Report.
No report.
City Commissioners' Reports.
Commissioner Eckstein - Reported he would like to see something in the newspaper regarding the 4th of
July Celebration in Sanford.
Commissioner Williams - Reported she hopes citizens are not receiving conflicting information from City
Staff. Also, she reported City Staff and Administration should have some reservations about sharing information that
might result in citizens getting the wrong impression, even though they should be made aware of some of the weaknesses
of the City. She reported the police personnel should take their needs and concerns to their supervisors, and ultimately to
the City Manager or the Mayor as Police Liaison, and not communicate them to the citizens. By communicating the
concerns to citizens it causes the citizens to be frustrated because they do not have all of the variables and all of the facts,
and it does a disservice to the Police Department and to the City. Commissioner Eckstein reported that you can't always
believe what the citizens are saying because it tends to get blown out of proportion or misconstrued by the citizens and the
press. City Manager VanDerworp reported he would include this issue in some of his training sessionsl not only for the
Police Department but for other City departments as well.
Mayor Dale - No report.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned.
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