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City Commission, Sanford, Florida WORK SESSION AUGUST 13 2~-
The City Commission of the City of Sanford, Florida met in Work Session on Monday, August 13, 2001, at
3:30 P.M. in the City Manager's Conference Room, Sanford City Hall 300 North Park Avenue, Sanford, Florida.
Present: Mayor-Commissioner Brady Lessard
Commissioner Whitey Eckstein
Commissioner Velma Williams
Commissioner Randy Jones
Commissioner Art Woodruff
City Manager Anthony VanDerworp
City Clerk Janet R. Dougherty
Absent: City Attorney William L. Colbert
The Chairman called the meeting to order.
Employee of the Month Award for Aulust 2001.
Mayor Lessard presented Bob Walter with the Employee of the Month Award for August 2001.
Budget impact of law enforcement center and Fire Station #2.
City Manager VanDerworp presented and reviewed locations, cost options, and positive and negative aspects
of property being considered for facility needs for the Law Enforcement Center, Fire Station #32 replacement, and Fire
Station #31/Headquarters.
Locations being considered for Fire Station #32 include Americana Boulevard, the K-Mart Building (co-
location with the Law Enforcement Center), and Airport Boulevard property (next to Airport Bowling Lanes). The
estimated cost is between $1.0 million and $9.2 milliota The City Manager recommended moving quickly on Fire Station
#32.
Locations being considered for the Law Enforcement Center include 18th Street property (located across
from Sanford Middle School), the K-Mart building, and 13th Street property (Farmer's Market). The estimated cost is
between $5.9 million and $10.4 million, depending upon the type of coustruetion~
Locations being considered for Fire Station #31/Headquarters include the 18th Street property, the 13th
Street property, and expansion of the station's current location. The estimated cost is between $1.3 million and $3.1
million.
City owned property on the north side of the 13th Street property being considered was donated for park and
recreation uses, however, the Land Donation Agreement and Deed Document provides that if the property is sold or used
for purposes other than the donated use, the value of the property must be put toward parks and recreation. A land
purchase may be required for the Farmer' s Market property, because it is owned by the State' s Internal Trustee' s Fund. The
property is within the Front Porch Program area and it may be possible that the Program can accelerate the purebase or
dedication of the property. The property has sufficient acreage for fire, police, and Mill Creek area wide retention to ease
local flooding.
After discussion, the Commission concurred to proceed, with preference given to the 13th Street property
(Farmer' s Market). The City Manager will provide a recommendation regarding Fire Station #32 at the next Work Session.
Tow away zone on Palmetto Avenue.
Jay Marder, Director of Engineering & Planning, reported the Commission considered the tow away zone
and loading area at 109 S. Palmetto Avenue on May 29, 2001, and directed Staff to review and provide a curb and driveway
solution. [Commissioner Williams briefly lel~ the meeting and retumed.] The street will be master planned pursuant to the
present contract with the Glatting/Jackson/Kercher Tean~ Designing a curbed section at this time would be premature,
given that it has not been decided how wide the sidewalk should be, what materials should be recommended, and other
details that will be developed as part of the master planning process.
Barbara Farrell, owner of the property, reported she has owned the building for nine years and has spent
$200,000 in renovations. Although she had tow away signs installed nine years ago, she has never had anyone towed.
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Doreen Freeman said the problem is that street access is being used for personal use and that the right-of-way
should remain public. She shared photos she took of the property with the Commission.
Commissioner Eekstein recalled that at the time the City sold the building to Ms. Farrell, it was the
Commission' s intent to allow the use of right-of-way parking to continue.
After discussion, there was a consensus of the Commission to leave the loading zone and tow away zone as
is, and enforce parallel or angle parking, therefore not allowing parking on the sidewalk. At this time nothing will be done
to change the curbs or elevation. Ms. Farrell requested that she be involved with Glatting/Jackson' s Riverwalk design that
will affect her property.
Regular Agenda items, Add-on items, and other items.
Consideration of vacating Mangoustine Avenue between 5th and 6th Streets, and waiving the
application fee. [Commissioner Willlares briefly left the meeting and returned.] After brief discussion, the Commission
concurred to authorize Staff to proceed with vacating Mangoustine Avenue between 5th and 6th Street. Action will be
taken on this item at tonlght's Regular Meeting.
Front Porch update. This item was not discussed.
Commission Liaison role - District 4. Commissioner Eckstein reported he meets quarterly with the
Community Service Block Grant Program funded by the County which assists people with temporary needs. He also serves
on the Seminole County Expressway Authority; it is gradually phasing out because ofFDOT.
Mavor's briefing.
Mayor Lessard reported be, City Manager VanDerworp, and Jack Wert went to Detroit last Friday to meet
with representatives of the preferred developers of the hotel/conference center to discuss the tasks required to complete the
design, cost estimates, financing tasks, and schedules for the project. The City Manager said the development team's
architects will meet soon to coordinate with the consultants for the Riverwalk and Downtown Master Plan to ensure that the
facility is integrated into the overall downtown design. A Memorandum of Agreement will be developed specifying the
responsibilities ofthe parties, tasks, and timeliness for project completion. He distributed apress retease.
Mayor Lessard said the Firefighters' Union is meeting with the labor attorneys. As Commission liaison to the
Fire Department, Commissioner Jones will keep apprised of items rehting to the Union and will be the sounding board
between the City Manager and the Commission. An Executive Session is scheduled for the second week in September.
Mayor Lessard said he and City Clerk Dougherty have been working on a way to prepare minutes more
efficiently. There will still be a taped recording of the meetings. If there is something the Commission wants reflected in the
minutes, it will be necessary to say, "Let the record reflect...." Preparing minutes is very cost intensive and requires Staff
time. City Clerk Dougherty said that in meeting with the Mayor, he mentioned that Commission meeting minutes will
become "action only" minutes. Mayor Lessard said that items that are somewhat controversial will have a nmning
commentary. If the City is ever sued, the tape recording of a meeting can be used to prepare verbatim minutes. It is hoped
that approximately $20,000 will be saved per year.
Mayor Lessard said the City Manager's evaluations by the Commission and Department Heads should be
given to him as soon as possible,
City Manager's briefing.
No briefing items were discussed.
Commissioner Jones reported that Lake Mary Fire/Rescue rescued a jet skier tiom Lake Monroe, in
Sanford's jurisdiction, and asked why Sanford didn't make the rescue. Deputy Fire Chief Ransom will report on this item at
tonight's Regular Meeting.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned.
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City Commission, Sanford, Florida
The City Commission of the City of Sanford, Florida met in Regular Meeting on Monday, August 13, 2001,
at 7:00 P.M. in the City Commission Chambers, City Hall 300 North Park Avenue, Sanford, Florida.
Present: Mayor-Commissioner Brady Lessard
Commissioner Whitey Eckstein
Commissioner Velma H. Williams
Commissioner Randy Jones
Commissioner Art Woodruff
City Attorney William L. Colbert
City Manager Anthony VanDerworp
City Clerk Janet R. Dougherty
The Chairman called the meeting to order.
AODroval of Minutes.
Commissioner Jones moved to approve the minutes of July 10 and 11,2001 Budget Work Sessions, July 16,
2001 Special Meeting, and July 23, 2001 Work Session and Regular Meetings. Seconded by Commissioner Williams and
carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Lessard Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Commissioner Jones Aye
Commissioner Woodraft Aye
Public hearing, and second reading and adoOrion of Ordinance No. 3662 re: Crooms Academy, to vacate all rights
of ways between the SCL Railroad, Persimmon Avenue, McCracken Road and West 13th Street {exceot Dixie Way)
and reserve a utility easement over the unnamed east-west right-of-way from Dixie Way west to the SCL Railroad
right-of-way; also, annrove waiver of $200.00 aOOlication fee; School Board of Seminole County, applicant.
Recommended by the City Manager. Ad published August 1, 2001.
Ordinance No. 3662 was read by title. Mayor Lessard reported the Commission would hear from those
persons present to speak for, or in opposition to, Ordinance No. 3662. No one appeared. Commissioner Williams moved to
adopt Ordinance No. 3662, entitled:
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SANFORD, FLORIDA, CLOSING, VACATING,
AND ABANDONING ALL RIGHTS OF WAY BETWEEN SCL RAILROAD,
PERSIMMON AVENUE, MCCRACKEN ROAD AND WEST 13TH STREET (EXCEPT
DIXIE WAY) IN THE CITY OF SANFORD, FLORIDA, RESERVING A UTILITY
EASEMENT OVER THE UNNAMED EAST-WEST RIGHT OF WAY FROM DIXIE
WAY WEST TO THE SCL RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY; PROVIDING FOR
SEVERABILITY, CONFLICTS AND EFFECTIVE DATE.
and to waive the $200.00 application fee. Seconded by Commissioner Woodruffand carried by vote of the Commission as
follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Lessard Aye
Comrrfissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Willjams Aye
Commissioner Jones Aye
Commissioner Woodraft Aye
First reading of Ordinance No. 3663 to rezone 2.05+ acres of Orol}erty IvinR between Country Club Road and W.
251h Street and between Hardy Avenue and Old Lake Mary Road, from RI-1, Restricted Industrial, to MI-2,
Medium Industrial; Rinker Materials Corporation, owner. Recommended by the Planning & Zoning Commission, the
Director of Engineering & Platruing, and the City Manager. Ad published July 8, 2001.
Ordinance No. 3663 was read by title. Mayor Lessard reported the Commission would hear from those
persons present to speak for, or in opposition to, Ordinance No. 3663. No one appeared. Commissioner Jones moved on
the first reading of Ordinance No. 3663, entitled:
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SANFORD, FLORIDA, AMENDING ORDINANCE
NO. 3117 OF SAID CITY; SAID ORDINANCE BEING A ZONING PLAN; SAID
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AMENDMENT CHANGING THE ZONING OF 2.05+ ACRES OF PROPERTY LYING
BETWEEN COUNTRY CLUB ROAD AND W. 25TH STREET AND BETWEEN HARDY
AVENUE AND OLD LAKE MARY ROAD FROM RI-1, RESTRICTED INDUSTRIAL,
TO MI-2, MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, CONFLICTS
AND EFFECTIVE DATE.
Seconded by Commissioner Woodruff and earfled by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Lessard Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Willjams Aye
Commissioner Jones Aye
Commissioner Woodruff Aye
Condemnation of 119 S. Ma~,nolia Avenue (awning_doverhan~) and 1101 W. 10th St. The Director of Community
Development and the City Manager recommend that the structures at 1101 and 1103 W. 10th Street, and the
awning/overhang at 119 S. Magnolia Avenue be found unsafe, dilapidated, unsanitary or uninhabitable, to condemn said
structures, and give the owner thirty (30) days to repair or demolish; if the property owner fails to effect such demolition
and removal or repair within said thirty (30) day period, the City shall demolish and remove the buildings and/or structures,
and the actual cost of said removal and disposal, including administrative costs, will be assessed as a lien against the
properties. Properties posted and owners notified July 5, 2001.
Mayor Lessard asked if anyone was present to speak regarding 1101 W. 10th Street, Condemnation Report
No. 01-12, Ulysses Brown, owner. Ulysses Brown, 1707 W. llth Street, appeared. He submitted to the Mayor a copy of a
General Repair Plan dated August 2000 and a newspaper clipping of an article the Mayor wrote approximately two years
ago. He reported there are three "shotgun" houses located on the property addressed as 1101, 1103, and 1105 W. 10th
Street. He doesn't object to the condemnation and demolition of the houses addressed as 1101 and 1103, however, he
would like to repair the house addressed as 1105 W. 10th Street. He requested that 1105 W. 10th Street be removed from
condemnation and that he be allowed time to repair the house. He has obtained a permit to make repairs.
Commissioner Eckstein moved that the structures at 1101 and 1103 W. 10th Street be found unsafe,
dilapidated, unsanitary or uninhabitable, to condemn said structures, and give the owner thirty (30) days to repair or
demolish; ff the property owner fails to effect such demolition and removal or repair within said thirty (30) day period, the
City shall demolish and remove the buildings and/or structures, and the actual cost of said removal and disposal, including
administrative costs, will be assessed as a lien against the properties. Seconded by Commissioner Willianls and carried by
vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Lessard Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Commissioner Jones Aye
Commissioner Woodruff Aye
Mayor Lessard asked if anyone was present to speak regarding 119 S. Magnolia Avenue, Condemnation
Report No. 01-11, Commercial Realty Group, Inc., owner. Neil O'Brien, President, Commercial Realty Group, Inc.,
appeared and reported repairs have been made to the awning/overhang. He has received bids to remove the awning but
does not want to be forced to do so, and would like to keep his options open since ha has spoken with several people about
buying/leasing the property.
On recommendation of the Director of Community Development and the City Manager, Conmaissioner
Woodruff moved that the awningoverhang be found unsafe, to condemn that portion of said structure, and give the owner
thirty (30) days to repair or demolish; if the property owner fails to effect such demolition and removal or repair within said
thirty (30) day period, the City shall demolish and remove the awning/overhang, and the actual cost of said removal and
disposal, including admlnistmtive costs, will be assessed as a lien against the property. Seconded by Commissioner Eckstein
and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
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Mayor-Commissioner Lessard Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Willjams Aye
Commissioner Jones Aye
Commissioner Woodruff Aye
Condemnation Status Report.
City Manager VartDerworp reported the Condemnation Status Report includes two new structures for
possible condemnation. No action is required.
Authorize Staff to proceed with vacate of ManRoustine Avenue between 5th and 6th Streets, and waive $200.00
application fee. Recommended by the Director of Recreation & Parks and the City Manager.
Commissioner Jones moved to authorize Staff to proceed with vacation of Mangoustine Avenue between 5th
and 6th Streets, and to waive the $200.00 application fee. Seconded by Commissioner Eckstein and carried by vote of the
Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Lessard Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
CommAssinner Williams Aye
Commissioner Jones Aye
Commissioner Woodruff Aye
Approve utility biilinl~ ehanl~e for envelope based utility bills, and pi~k,y back of proposal AXIS has with City of
Altamonte Sprin~s. Recommended by the Utility Director and the City Manager.
Utility Director Paul Moore reported the Utility Strategic Business Plan calls for the Utility Department to
institute big system improvements. One of the improvements requested by customers over the years is to include return
envelopes with a more traditional style utility bill. A postcard type bill is presently used but has limited space for customer
information and is subject to being lost or misplaced, and has no retum address. Other Seminole County utilities are using
an envelope-based bill and have piggy backed Altamonte Springs' bid with Advanced Xerographics Imaging System (AXIS)
for printing, sorting, and delivery of utility bills to the Post O~ice. The estimated cost to change to an envelope-based bill is
an additional $27,456 per year. The Utility Department is required to annually send information to customors regarding
utility rates and water quality which could be inserted with the utility bills, thus saving postage cost in the amount of
$16,744. The net additional cost is approximately $19,000, however, with Staff time saved in bill production the process
should break even the first year and afterward be a cost savings.
Commi~ioner Woodruff moved to approve the utility billing change for envelope-based utility bills, and to
piggy back the proposal AXIS has with City of Altamonte Springs. Seconded by Commissioner Williams and carried by
vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Lessard Nay
Commissioner Eckstein Nay
Commissioner Willjams Aye
Commissioner Jones Aye
Commissioner Woodruff Aye
Approve Sod ltarvestina A1/reemeut - Site 10. Recommended by the Utility Director and the City Manager.
Utility Director Paul Moore reported that Baker Farms Inc. leases part of the City's Site 10 property for a
cattle operation. Mr. Baker has been approached by Deltona Sod Service regarding harvesting sod from the pasture areas.
Baker Farms and Deltona Sod Service would like to enter into an agreement with the City to harvest the sod from the leased
property. Baker Farms would still be required to manage the site as specified in the original lease and Deltona Sod Service
would handle the sod harvesting operatiork For each pallet of the sod harvested Baker Farms will receive $5.33 and the City
will receive $2.67. It is estimated that if 100 acres are harvested per year it could yield up to 7,000 pallets of sod. The
City's share would amount to approximately $18,690. The Planning and Zoning Division of Seminole County has advised
that sod hatwesting is an acceptable practice on agricultural zoned property and no additional County approvals are needed
to harvest the sod. The agreement is limited to a year. Mr. Baker will moultor the harvesting and if he determines the
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property is being mined or there is a shortage of grass, he may terminate the contract with a 30 day written notice to
Deltona Sod Senrice and a copy of the notice provided to the City. Mayor Lessard said the City shotrid monitor the site to
make sure the harvesting doesn't affect the land level.
Commissioner Eckstein moved to approve the Sod Harvesting Agreement at Site 10. Seconded by
Commissioner Jones and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Lessard Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Williams Aye
Commissioner Jones Aye
Commissioner Woodraft Aye
Apl~rove Crown Colony Preliminary. Subdivision Plan for a 73 lot sinllle family subdivision located at 950 Vihlen
Road, and approve Development Order 01-0030. Recommended with conditions by the Planning & Zoning Commission,
the Director of Engineering & Planning, and the City Manager.
Mayor Lessard reported he has had communication with Mr. Greene who lives in the Idyllwilde Subdivision,
as well as representatives of the developer.
Jay Marder, Director of Engineering & Planning, reported the Planning & Zoning Commission reviewed the
request for the Preliminary Subdivision Plan and approved the plan as recommended by Staff with additional stipulations that
lots 1-28 be restricted to single story residences, change the subdivision to provide that lots 30, 31, and 32 access Dogwood
Drive, extend the white vinyl fence along the north side of lots 30, 31, and 32 and around 32 to divide the remainder of the
subdivision from view of the Idyllwilde Subdivision, and approve Development Order No. 01-0030 with all stipulations
stated in Development Order No. 00-0043. The Planning & Zoning Commission also recommended that lots 1-17 be
restricted to single story residences to prevent new residences from overlooking existing single story residences in the
Idyllwilde Subdivision, Staff does not recommend restricting lots 1-17 to single story residences because the proposed lots
are adjacent to agricultural uses and buildings and would not adversely impact existing residences. Mr. Marder said the
subdivision is zoned SR-1, Single Family Residential, and allows six dwelling units per acre. The plan was refined and
allows for the development of three additional lots.
Mayor Lessard said that when the Commission first considered rezoning the property, it was decided that
only two lots would have access to Dogwood Drive and that access to the subdivision would be through Vihlen Road.
Russ Gibson, Land Development Manager, said that the Planning & Zoning Commission considered the proposed
Preliminary Subdivision Plan and made a recommendation to the City Commission to modify the original development order
which limited the number of lots that could access Dogwood Drive from two to three. His insight of their rationale for
adding the third lot is that it is currently configured as a flag lot that will access the cul-de-sac, and a better configuration of
the lot would be to make it a standardized lot accessing Dogwood Drive rather than a flag lot accessing the interior of the
cul-de-sac. Mayor Lessard said the City Commission upheld the Planning & Zoning Commission' s original recommendation
that two lots should front Dogwood Drive and questioned why the Commission is having to reconsider a recommendation
for three lots to front Dogwood Drive. City Manager VanDerworp said that when a property is rezoned for development a
preliminary plat is shown which may then be re-engineered and reconfigured. The Planning & Zoning Commission and the
City Commission then review the re-engineered plans. It is not unusual for there to be changes from the first to the second
meeting and it is not unusual to consider changes from a design standpoint. It is Staff's practice to hold as strictly as
possible to the Development Order approved by the City Commission, however, given the fact that the Planning & Zoning
Commission is a recommending body and thought this design works better, it is before the City Commission for
consideration-
Carol Dennison, 305 Dogwood Drive, reported she is a member of the Planning & Zoning Commission, The
three lots proposed for Dogwood Drive face her house as well as Mrs. Saxon' s house. The original Development Order had
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70 lots and t. p different configuration. When the Planning & Zoning Commission considered the Plan the second time, she
made the recommendation that the third lot access Dogwood Drive because the previously approved plan has the lot coming
right into Mrs. Saxon's bedroom window. It would be better that the house face the street. She said that Mrs. Saxon said it
really doem't matter to her, provided there is an immovable fence along the lot.
Charles Madden, Madden Engineering, reported that his company is the civil engineering company
representing Mr. Rouhier. Regarding the third lot on Dogwood Drive, it doesn't matter if it faces Dogwood Drive or is a
flag lot. The Development Order approved with the fezone ordinance was his bible in designing the Preliminary Subdivision
Plan. The biggest issue tonight regards one story versus two stories along the western property line. The Planning &
Zoning Commission recommended that lots 1-17 be restricted to single story residences, however, he doesn't agree because
the adjacent use is agriculture and the greenhouse structures are as high as a two-story house. He also disagrees with StalTs
recommendation that lots 18-28 be restricted to single story residences; lot 28 doesn't abut Idyllwilde and lot 22 barely has
adjacency to that subdivision. The previously approved Development Order restricted only lot 32 (which is 18 on the new
plan) to one story. A fair compromise would be to increase the rear yard building setback by ten feet for a two-story home.
The lots are a minimum of 135 feet deep with a minimum of 10,000 square feet and a 1,500 square foot living area. The
fence will extend from the southeast property comer over to and wrap around the lots on Dogwood Drive. The owners of
the Dogwood Drive lots will pay homeowner association dues to Crown Colony because they will have the benefit of
drainage to the retention pond. Although they won't have pedestrian access to the subdivision, they will have access to the
lake feature.
Ken Showalter, 112 Maplewood Drive, said there is a previously approved Development Order and he is
disturbed that the developer wants to make changes to it.
Curtis Hoffman, 111 Maplewood Drive, said he has no objection to having the lots facing Dogwood. The
original plan had one lot abutting his rear property that is approximately 400 feet in length, but the new plan has four lots
bordering his property. Although he doesn't want four houses looking into his back yard, his biggest concern is the severe
drainage problem in his back yard. All the retention area that borders his property on Maplewood Drive will be removed.
The original plan had very few lots backing up to the properties along Maplewood Drive and a big retention area on the
comer of the lot directly to the east of his property; it is not on the new plan. The retention area is now going to be a
drainage ditch along the back of the lots behind his house. He can't afford to have additional water standing in his yard.
Mr. Madden said the plan was modified in the area of Mr. Hoffman's property and the retention pond that
was to serve the subdivision was on top of a hill. The concept plan was prepared from tax maps which was the best
available information at the time; there were no boundaries nor topographic surveys. Once boundaries and topographic
surveys were received, it was apparent that the planned retention was not enough to properly treat the stormwater. It was
necessary to put the retention pond at the bottom of the hill Mr. Hoffrnan's drainage problem is preexisting, however,
storm inlets will be placed along the back property lines of Maplewood Drive, including along the north and east sides of his
property, which will allow flow to the off site drainage wetland area being preserved across the road. [Mayor Lessard
passed the gavel to Commissioner Eckstein and briefly left the meeting and returned. Commissioner Eckstein passed the
gavel back.]
Annette Lommerse, 631 Upsah Road, reported she owns property adjacent to lots 1-18, and asked for
consideration that one story homes be built along lots 1-10 to allow for air circulation for the greenhouses, and for
additional ten foot setbacks.
Mr. Madden said the greenhouses at the back of Ms. Lommerse's property are as tall as a two-story house,
there is a twenty-foot drainage easement and a 20-foot property setback, and it would be unfair to impose an additional 10
foot setback for a two-story house in this instance. Regarding privacy, there will be a six-foot fence adjacent to the entire
property line.
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Thelma Saxon, 206 Dogwood Drive, said it was basically her idea to have the extra lot facing Dogwood
Drive because she would rather see a pretty front yard than a fence, however, the lots are fairly small. She suggested the
total number of houses be 72 rather than 73 and that there be two larger lots facing Dogwood Drive rather than three
smaller lots. She asked how the utility easement will look and whether there will be a pump station.
Mr. Madden said the utilities will be located beneath the ground and grass covered. There will be a benefit to
the Idyllwilde Subdivision because potable and reclaimed water lines will be looped all the way up Vihlen Road and Upsala
Road which should greatly help water pressure in that subdivision.
Pat Donaldson, 209 Dogwood Drive, asked if the flag lot number 35 next to his side yard is wide enough to
build a two-story house with a thirty-foot easement. He is concerned that a two-story house could be built seven and a half
feet from his property; he has a pool in his hack yard.
Mr. Madden said that lot 35 would be a single story.
A1 Greene, 309 Dogwood Drive, speaking for himself and other home owners of ldyllwilde, said there is no
objection for turning lots 30 and 31 around to allow access from Crown Colony rather than Dogwood Drive. The home
owners he represents would like for there to be two lots as originally proposed and a "z" configured fence that would
cordon off the two lots facing Dogwood Drive. Regarding building two story homes abutting Idyllwilde, a 10,000 square
foot lot is mere than sufficient to build a very nice single story home meeting the 1,500 square foot requirement. The
interior lots with a minimum of 6,600 square feet may require that a two-story home be built in order to meet the 1,500
square foot requirement. Home owners would rather see single story homes around the perimeter and abutting lots to
Idyllwilde. Regarding drainage, storm inlets should be situated low enough to accept stormwater.
Mr. Madden said the drainage inlet tops will be lower than the properties end will accept water coming from
west of the development. As far as the two story versus the one story issue, a nice single story home can be built on the
10,000 .square foot lot; an additional 10 foot setback for a two-story home seems to be a fair compromise. The lots haven't
been sold to a particular builder, and it may be that the builder will choose to build all one story homes because of the size of
the lots. Regarding the "z" configured fence, it should be the option of the owner of lot 31 to erect a fence.
[Commissioner Eckstein briefly left the meeting and returned.]
Commissioner Eckstein said there seems to be three separate groups representing Idyllwilde. There needs to
be an agreeable common thread woven between the groups, and it won't be done tonight. He suggested that the public
heating be continued for two weeks to allow Mr. Madden to meet with the residents of Idyllwilde to resolve issues and
present a common thread to the Commission. At this point he is not satisfied with the Plan and couldn't cast a positive vote.
Mr. Madden said that flit would move the process along tonight, he would agree to "z" configure the fence
behind lots 30 and 31 and between lots 31 and 32 and then past lot 35.
Rosemary Lafollette, 107 Maplewood Drive, said she also is concerned abont the drainage and that after
today' s inch of rain her driveway was under water. She asked for clarification as to the lots designated for single story and
two stories.
Commissioner Jones said he understands that lots 18, 20, 22, 23, 24, and 35 will be single story homes, and lots 25-28 will
be either single story or two stories with an additional setback. Ms. Lafollette said her property is located somewhere
between proposed lots 24 and 25 and her home was built about 20 feet from her back property line. For the last twenty-one
years she has viewed thirty acres of trees behind her hack yard, and it will be hard to took at a fence, much less a two-story
house.
Bob Tumpack, 104 Maplewood Drive, said the plot is a difficult piece of property to maximize the lots and it
seems very busy and complicated with all the flag lots; it doesn't seem to be a workable plan.
Commissioner Woodruff said he would be willing to take action on this issue if the developer is willing to
make lots 18, 19, 20, 22-30 single story and remove a lot on Dogwood Drive between lots 30 and 33.
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Mr. Madden said he would be willing to further compromise on the one story issue but the economics of the
project do not allow the loss of the lot. The economics of paving Viiden Road and extending utilities to Upsala Road made a
big impact on the budget.
Commissioner Williams said when she first listened to feedback from the citizens she thought there was more
of a consensus of their positions, but the longer she listened she found herself baffled as to what it is they want. There are
three or four different positions being articulated very clearly. While she feels it is a good project, the citizen's concerns
need to be addressed. If there is no urgency in making a decision tonight, the developer and citizens could get together and
decide on a compromise.
After discussion, Commissioner Jones moved to approve the Crown Colony Preliminary Subdivision Plan
with amendments: lots 1-17 be single or two story lots; lots 18, 20, 22-28, 30 and 35 be single story lots; lots 30, 31, and
32 would face Dogwood Drive with the fence rtmning down the western property line and "z' configured behind lots 30, 31,
and 32 to Dogwood Drive and continue east past lot 35. Seconded by Commissioner Williams. Commissioner Eckstein
said he has painstakingly considered other development issues and it takes time to make a decision; Idyllwilde deserves
consideration. Commissioner Williams said considemtious have been given, however, she would support District 4
Commissioner Eckstein in delaying a decision to allow for a compromise to be worked out. The motion failed to carry by
vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Lessard Nay
Commissioner Eckstein Nay
Commissioner Willlards Nay
Commissioner Jones Aye
Commissioner Woodraft Nay
Commissioner Woodn~moved to continue consideration of the Crown Colony Preliminary Subdivision Plan
to the Regular Meeting of August 27, 2001. Seconded by Commissioner Jones and carried by vote of the Commission as
follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Lessard Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Willjams Aye
Commissioner Jones Aye
Commissioner Woodraft Aye
Consent A~enda.
Commissioner Wil~ams moved to approve the Consent Agenda as follows:
Approve CPH Amendment #55 to provide engineering services during construction of utility reloeation work
on E. Lake Mary Boulevard, at a cost not to exceed $98,776; funding will come from the State Loan
Program. Reject Cedar Creek Office Condo Sewage Pump Station Bid #00/01-28, approve restructure of
bid package and re-bid.
Reject re-roofing Academy Manor Park Pavilion and Restroom and Park on Park Restroom Bid 4/00/01-29
and approve re-advertisement for bids.
Approve Rehab/Repair of Athletic Courts Bid #00/01-30, from Advantage Courts, Inc., in the amount of
$20,100; funds available in account 001-5051-572-46-08.
Approve request for use of the Fort Mellon Park picnic shelter and area east of picnic shelter for STAR 94.5
Listeners' Cookout special event on Saturday, August 25, 2001, from 12:00 P.M. to 3:00 P.M.
Approve request for use of Fort Mellon Park for Sanford Lakefront Criterium special event on Saturday,
September 8, 2001, from 8:00 A.M. to 6:00 P.M.; and approve street closure of Seminole Boulevard from
Sanford Avenue to San Juan, San Juan from Seminole Boulevard to First Street, First Street from San Juan
to Sanford Avenue, and Sanford Avenue from Seminole Boulevard to First Street, on Saturday, September 8,
2001, from 6:00 A.M. to 6:00 P.M.
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Approve request for use of Historic Sanford Memorial Stadium for "Grand Reopening of the Stadium" and
ASA Tournament to be held Thursday, September 13, 2001, from 9:00 A.M. through 5:00 P.M. on Sunday,
September 16, 2001; and approve sale and consumption of beer during the event from 12:00 P.M. to 10:00
P.M.; and waive all fees associated with the event.
Approve request for use of Fort Mellon Park for "Cmisin for the Cure" special event on Sunday, October 7,
2001, from 11:00 A.M. to 6:00 P.M.; and approve street closure of Seminole Boulevard from San Juan to
Sanford Avenue, from 7:00 A.M. to 6:00 P.M.; and waive all fees associated with the event except City's
._ refundable clean up bond.
Approve request for use of Fort Mellon Park for "Seminole Pet Walk" special event on Saturday, October
27, 2001, from 7:00 A.M. to 2:00 P.M.; and approve street closure of Seminole Boulevard from San Juan to
Sanford Avenue, October 27, 2001, from 7:00 A.M. to 2:00 P.M.
Approve request for "Patients' Appreciation Day" special event to be held on private property at Family
Dentistry at 2417 S. French Avenue, from 9:00 A.M. to 7:00 P.M., Saturday, September I, 2001.
Seconded by Commissioner Eckstein and carried by vote of the Commission as follows:
Mayor-Commissioner Lessard Aye
Commissioner Eckstein Aye
Commissioner Willjams Aye
Commissioner Jones Aye
Commissioner Woodruff Aye
Add-on items.
There were no Add-on items.
,, Information only.
City Manager VanDerworp noted the City was successful in getting additional funding for the Riverwalk
Project. The City of Sanford was given the Outstanding Race Community Award and the Rally Champs Choice Award for
being the preferred City to host the Soap Box Derby and Rally races.
City Attornev's Reoort.
No report.
City Clerk's Renort.
No report.
City Mana~er's Renort.
City Manager VanDerworp noted an upcoming Joint Work Session with the Sanford Airport Authority on
August 27, 2001.
He congratulated Howard Jeffdes on his election as President of the Florida Urban Forestry Council.
He thanked Chris Smith for his work on the Law Enforcement Center and Fire Station options presentation.
Deputy Fire Chief Jerry Ransom reported the Sheriff's Office located the stranded jet skier on Lake Monroe.
When they brought him in the closest unit would have been two County units, so a Sanford engine and a Lake Mary rescue
came out, but they weren't actually involved in the search, just the Sheriff's Office.
Citizen Particioation.
--- Gary Taylor, 304 W. 241h Street, reported he constantly gets his garbage picked up around 7:00 P.M., but
tonight it was picked up at 8:15 P.M. The garbage tracks backup down the street at a high rate of speed. Garbage service is
supposed to cut off at 7:00 P.M. He has told the Commission twice about how the garbage collectors drive and how they
act. When someone gets killed, blood is going to be on the Commission's hands. He said the garbage contract should be
enforced or given to somebody else if they aren't going to do it right. There are pets, children, and elderly people in the
neighborhood. If one of the elderly people taking a walk in the neighborhood would have walked around the comer on 241h
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Street tonight they wouldn't be with us. There is no excuse for the way the garbage truck drivers come flying through
residential neighborhoods at high rates of speed and back up at about 15 miles per hour.
Art Harris reported the mosquito spraying truck used to emit a fog, now them is only a little bit coming out.
He requested spraying be done as in the past so that it will kill mosquRoes.
Domen Freeman, 705 Mellonville Avenue, reported she wished the Commission would move Citizen
participation back where it was. Regarding discussion at today's Work Session about the tow away zone on Palmetto
Avenue, it needs to be taken into consideration because the City is setting itself up for a bad situation (sets a precedence).
Regarding the trip made last Friday by the Mayor and the City Manager, she asked if them are still three companies doing
RFQ's. Mayor Lessard said he and City Manager VanDerworp met with Benchmark Hospitality, Acquest, and a
construction company. They are sending the City a letter of understanding. City Manager VanDerworp reported the City is
down to one development team: Acquest Development, Benchmark Hospitality, and Walbridge Elsinger Construction
Company. They will enter into a Memorandum of Agreement with the City regarding ~nancials, architectural design,
cometion cost estimating, etc., so the City can make a decision on their proposal, hopefully within the next three to six
months. In response to Ms. Freeman's question as to the cost of the trip, Mayor Lessard reported the airline tickets cost
$560.; them was no per diem.
City Commissioners' Renorts.
Commissioner Eckstein - no report.
Comw~sioner Willjams - Distributed a Front Porch Report.
Commissioner Jones - no report.
Commissioner Woodruff- Reported the City needs to start working on garbage service; he identified 42
addresses in the Georgetown area where yard trash was not picked up, but some was picked up. Maybe we need to educate
our residents. Commissioner Eekstein concurred that something needs to be done; there is such a turn over of crews that
they don't even know the route and that is why they run over time. The garbage company is expending a lot of money on
things other than their help. Commissioner Williams concurred, because so many workers are from the labor pool. Garbage
is picked up in her area alter 8 and they throw the cans down. Commissioner Eckstein offered to meet with the City
Manager and FRS regarding the service.
Mayor Lessard - Congratulated Commissioner Willtams on being in a magazine article. He thanked Tom
George for prompt clean up of a garbage pile in Georgetown which had been reported to the Commission~
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned.
Mayor
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City Clerk
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