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03.20.97WORKSHOP AGENDA PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION Thursday, March 20, 1997 6:00 P.M. CITY COMMISSION ROOM, CITY HALL CITY OF SANFORD, FLORIDA A. PRESENTATION OF ORLANDO SAN FORD RD AIRPORT PLANNING B. OTHER BUSINESS ADVICE TO THE PUBLIC: If a person decides to appeal a decision made with respect to any matter considered at the above meeting or hearing, he or she may need a verbatim record of proceedings, Including the testimony and evidence with record is not provided by the City of Sanford. (F 286.0105) Persons with disabilities needing assistance to participate in any of these proceedings should oontsct the Personnel Office ADA Coordinator at 330-5626, 48 hours in advance of the meeting. City of S Planning and Zoning Commission Regularly Scheduled Meetin 7:00 P.M. Thursday, March 20, 1997 City Commission Chambers, City Hall, Sanford, Florida AGENDA 1. Hold a Public Dearing to consider a request for a Conditional Use for shooters Billiards located at 2921 Orlando Drive, Suite 170 (Sanford Plaza) in a GC -, General Commercial Zoning District, for the purpose of the sale of beer and vine for consumption on premises, B V -COP. Tax Pa No. 01-20-30-512-0000-0210 Owner: FS, Inc. of Deltona Representative: James W. Bard 2. Consider the Site Plan for Windohaee Apartments, submitted as the Sanford Pines Apartments, a 352 unit apartment complex located at 2675 W. 25th Street in a R -3, Multiple Family Residential and GC -2, General Commercial Zoning District. (Site is adjacent to The Pineridge Club) Tax I. D. Number: 0 -20- 0- 300 -0 310 -0000 Property owner: Sanford Pines, Ltd. Representative: Lochrane Engineering, Inc. - Robert J. Lochrane, P.E. 3. Any ether business from floor or Commission Members. 4. Deports from Staff. 5. Minutes. ADVICE To THE PUBLIC. If a person decides to appeal a decision made with respect to any matter considered at the above meeting or hearing, he may need a verbatim record of the proceedings including the testimony and evidence, which record is not provided by the City of Sanford FS 286.0105) Persons with disabilities needing assistance to participate in any of these proceedings should contact the personnel office ADA Coordinator at 330 -5620, 48 hrs in advance of the meeting. WORKSESSION PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SSION MARCH 20, 1997 5:00 P.M. CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS CITY HALL, SANFORD, FLORIDA MEMBERS PRESENT Lynn Stogner Helen Stairs Otto Garrett Mac McClanahan'' Leon Brooks Ross Robert James Valerino Michael Skat Ben Dyal OTHERS PRESENT: Steve Cooke, Orlando Sanford Airport Jay Marder, Director of Planning and Development Russ Gibson, Land Development Coordinator Marion Anderson, Recording Secretary The Worksession was called to order at 6:00 P.M. Mr. Steve Cooke, Director of Aviation, noted that the Airport began as a Navy Base in World War II and went to the City in 1968. one problem, early on, was that the Navy wanted to separate the industrial properties from aviation properties. The City got the Navy to deed the industrial property as well as the aviation portion. This has been crucial to the Airport in paying its bills since 1969. This has kept the Airport off the tax roll more than anything else. 40% of the Airport's operating income comes from the industrial park, and in past years it has been as high as 60 %. Mr. Cooke explained that in 1993 the Airport did an update of its Master Plan. one effect on the Master Plan was the realignment of the entrance to the Airport. At that time it was decided that the main entrance should come in from the South and tie into the Greenway. The Greenway is the greatest single variable that has effected the development of the airport. If the Greenway had not gone in, the Airport would not be doing some of the things that are done out there today. The Greenway has bought the Airport into the Orlando Metropolitan Market, which is 1.3 million people and is projected to be 1.75 million people by the year 2005. He explained that the County is projecting to four lane E. Lake Mary B1vd.which use to be Silver Lake Drive at the earliest possible time. On January 1, 1998, the County will commence construction of four laning this road. The bypass around the Airport to the south that will tie into 415 is projected to happen in 2001. once accomplished, the transportation system around the Airport will be a superior transportation system. The road is a key part of the luster Plan. The Five Year Capital Improvement Plan calls for $81 or $82 billion in improvements. The main components of this plan is a runway extension of 2000' to the east. This will break Beardall. Beardall will become a cul -de -sac. Property will be acquired to make this extension happen. The other main part is to extend Runway 1836 2000' to the south. This will break Marquette Avenue. Runway 9- Left -27- Right will continue to be the primary runway. The north /south runway will not be used. Also, a part of the plan, a touch and go runway, is planned for the south -east part of the. Airport. WORKSESSION PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MARCH 20, 1997 PAGE 2 Mr. Cooke stated that, traffic wise, the Airport handled 309,000 operations. The Airport is ranked 43rd in business airports in the States. The Airport handled 587,000 international passengers and 52,000 domestic passengers last gear. The Airport is currently ranked 19th in the United States in international passengers and 4th in the State of Florida. Next year, the Airport is looking at an increase in both segments of 75 to 100 %. The Welcome center will be connected by a bridge to the Departure Lounge. The Airport will do something with Lake Golden and a circle bus that will go to downtown Sanford and to the Mall will come on line. Mr. Cooke explained that Dr. Storm Richards did a report concerning Alamo. The Airport will do a monitoring report with Alamo regarding the fuel tank and practices on the site. He stated that the Airport will be contacting the surrounding neighbors. The lights at the Alamo facility have been switched a couple of times. The lights were turned toward the neighbors but they are turned back toward the Airport now. Mr. Cooke stated that the Airport will monitor this situation. Mr. Cooke stated that most of the traffic will be in the afternoons. There will be 60 to 65 flights per week. The largest plane that the Airport will handle is the DC10. FAA sees the Airport as a reliever for Orlando. Mr. Cooke explained that there is approximately 1700 jobs on the Airport. The International Terminal has created about 500 jobs. This year, approximately 100 people will be hired, just in the terminal area. Major carriers are a part of the challenge. Delta, American, US Air are all committed under a 30 year lease in Orlando or Daytona. They have a provision in their leases which states that they cannot service an Airport within a 20 to 30 mile radius. The Sanford Airport has tried to go after new carriers and carriers who are not committed under a long term lease such as Reno. Virgin Airlines is not committed and could come in here. Southwest Airlines is also a possibility. In relation to cargo, the Airport has approval to construct a 50,000 square foot cargo building. Last year, the Airport brought in about 13 million pounds of cargo. They are improving Air Carrier Avenue which is preparatory to the new cargo building. This building should be completed by the end of the year. There is a new tower at the Airport which is a $3 million FAA project that will be completed in September of this year. Last year, the Airport received a $3 million grant and have removed most of the underground tanks that were put in by the Nagy. The Airport is working with City and County on demolition projects. Two buildings have been demolished and swimming pool area. The toughest problem is Hanger 4. The Authority has spent approximately $50,000 in removing asbestos and barrel contamination at Hangar 46 The rest of northside of the Airport will be developed for aviation uses, such as small package cargo businesses and maintenance businesses. South of the Terminal is an area where it is related to the terminal and can grow along with the terminal. The Airport is looking at building a fire station just east of Runway 1B36. Ray Weiss, Marketing Director, will do a foreign trade zone within the next six months. With a foreign trade zone products WORK S E S S I ON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MARCH 20, 1997 PAGE 3 can be assembled and finished goods could be flown out without paying any tax. Mr. Cooke's presentation concluded at 7:00 P.M. REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEET ING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION 7 :00 P.M, The meeting was called to order at 7:00 P. M. by Chairperson Stairs. All members were present. The first item on the Agenda was to hold a Public Hearing to consider a request for a Conditional Use for Shooters Billiards located at 2921 Orlando Drive, Suite 170 ( Sanford Plaza) in a GC -2, General Commercial Zoning District, for the purpose of the sale of beer and wine for consumption on premise, BW -COP. Tax parcel No. 01- 20--30 - 512 -0000 -0210. owner: FSV, Inc. of Deltana. Representative: James W. Bard. James W. Bard, 2125 Swanson Dr., Deltana, was present. He stated that he would be operating a billiard hall. He anticipates opening next week. The opening of his business is not continent upon acquiring a liquor license. Mr. Bard stated that this mould be a family riented . Y pool room with 1F pool tables, dart games, pin ball, and counter top trivia. He noted that at this time, they are looking into serving food. Mr. Skat asked how many liquor licenses there are in the Plaza.. Mr. Stogner stated that he did a survey and there are 5 licenses out there now. Mr. Stogner asked if the City Commission is looking into distance requirements of licenses. Mr. Marder stated that the city Commission has had a considerable amount of discussion on the subject of distance requirements between alcoholic beverage sales, establishments, and churches and schools, and they have had some discussion on distance requirements being established between establishments themselves. The City Commission has pretty much focused on, to this point, the full liquor licenses, a typical bar. Mr. Stogner stated that he is concerned about this because the City Commission is concerned about it. within the last four months this Commission has approved, on this property, 4 on premises licenses and this will be number 5. Mr. Dyal stated that if there is no food served and beer and wine will be served, it will not be family oriented. He asked what makes a bar a bar. Mr. Marder stated that he cannot answer, however, he has been in places where they have full liquor and there is no food sold and minors are not allowed. He stated that he has never seen a place that sells beer and wine that prohibits minors from corning in. Thats just an observation. Mr. Band stated that what they are going to try to do is after 9:00 at night., they will try to keep the under 18 crowd out. The 18 and up will probably be in the establishment until 10 :00 or 11 :00 and then hopefully the older crowd will be in. He stated that he will close at 2 :00 A.M. MINUTES PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MARCH 20, 1997 PAGE 2 Stan Smith, 3220 Krider, Deltona, stated that the liquor license laws does not require minors not be allowed in the facility. They are required not to serge the minors. He stated that they established the rules to keep minors out. The intent is to make the complex a local entertainment facility. Mr. smith stated that as far as what is being established in the facility and what he has talked about with Mr. Bard is trying to have limitations on times for children coming to the facility. He stated that they do not want children coming into these facilities at night because at night they turn into a bar atmosphere. Mr. Valerino moved for approval. Seconded by Mr. Dyal. Mr. Stogner stated that he doesn't think the City needs that many places to sell beer, wine and liquor in a plaza. He stated that he is not against the pool hall but -that he is against all the liquor places that are in this plaza. The City Commission is reviewing and trying to change the requirements and he feels that this item should be tabled. Mr. Dyal stated that if the City Commission has a problem with this then they should address it. He stated that he, personally, don't see any reason to table it because he doesn't feel comfortable second guessing the City Commission. He feels this Board should act on the facts as they are presented. Mr. Dyal stated that it is tremendously important to see the Sanford Plaza developed. It is great to see business coming into Sanford. Mr. McClanahan stated that he has some real concerns with the type of operation with no food. it is an atmosphere that will draw teenagers because of game machines, probably more underage people than people overage. when there is a mix in there with 18 and 19 year olds accompanied by 15, 16 and 17 year olds, there is no way that you can control whether the underagers get alcohol or not. With all of this concern, he doesn't see a legitimate reason for turning this request down. Because the area is saturated, this is not a legitimate reason to turn it down. IJr. Brooks stated they are there, we've approved, others, and he is not comfortable with approving for some and not others. He stated that he expects the applicant to abide by what he has said in keeping teenagers out after 9:00. Mr. Skat stated that this service is in demand in Sanford. He feels, in looking at the density in the Plaza, the number of licenses are not that dense in bomparison with other strip malls that exist in Sanford and Seminole County. Mr. Stogner was opposed to the motion. All others in favor. Motion carried. Next on the Agenda was the consideration of the Site Plan for windchase Apartments, submitted as the Sanford Pines. Apartments, a 352 unit apartment complex located at 2675 W. 25th Street in a MR- 3, Multiple Family Residential and GC -2, General Commercial Zoning District. (Site is adjacent to The Pineridge Club). Tax I.D. Number: 02- 20 -30- 300-0310 -0000. Property Owner: Sanford Pines, Ltd. Representative: Lochrane Engineering, Inc. - Robert J. Lochrane, P.E. Bob Lochrane, Lochrane Engineering, 201 S. Bumby Ave, Orlando, was present. He stated that the primary access for this project is off of County Road 46A. The intent is to have two secondary access points, essentially at the rear of the apartment project. One by the main entrance off of Airport and one by the rear entrance off of Old Lake Mary Rd. The rear entrances will be open during the day. The way the site plan is set -up is with coordination with the County, in that the County controls 46A. There are three lanes there now. Another County requirement however, is not shown on the site plan, which is a deceleration lane to be put in, essentially, a fourth lane to get the apartment dwellers off the main flow of traffic into a right turning lane. MINUTES PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MARCH 20, 1997 PAGE 3 Nr. Lochrane stated that there are 718 parking spaces being provided. The apartment complex will be a combination of 2 and 3 bedrooms. Chain link fencing will be black vinyl with landscaping on both sides. The chain link fencing will separate the condominiums from this apartment complex. On the Airport Blvd. and old Lake Mary Road side will be a combination of a block wall with wood in between the block columns and this theme will be carried out through the northern perimeter. Mr. Lochrane stated that by code, they are required to put sidwalk along the perimeter edge-of the property which will be along old Lake Mary Road. He stated that Staff :suggested that instead of putting sidewalk along the property lane where it would not benefit the majority of the people, to consider putting siewalk from that rear driveway, extend that south to the convenient store. All buildings will require a height variance because-they are three. -story buildings. John Nelson, 1632 Pineridge- Circle, stated that they will have to share a water line, a lift station, and traffic will cut through the condo's parking lot. He stated that the traffic on Airport Blvd. is terrible. There is a road that trucks have been using while during preliminary work. It is off old Lake Mary Road, close to 25th Street. He was wondering why can't this road be used as a secondary entrance. Jerry Foote., Nilson Co., stated that they are in the process of identifying the easements that need to be granted to the Condo Association. one of the biggest concerns is the traf f is . They are trying to design the traffic so that it will not all flow onto 46A. The lif t station will have to be redesigned to make it adequate f or both properties. There will be some sort of a shared maintenance cost for the sewer lines and lif t station as well as certain storm sewer lines. The water line will not be shared. They will be bringing water in from 46A. The gate that is being used by the surveyors is in a poor place for an access to the property and it doesn't allow access into the property. It goes through what will be a building and a pond. Mr. Foote stated that the property line splits the drive that is the main access drive for the association. It is not their intent to use this drive. They would like to give an easement to the association for that drive and in turn he would have access to the entrance that they use. He stated that they need to give the association permission to exit their property and the association needs to give him permission to enter their property. Mr. Dyal asked Staff why the Commission is even looking at this because it seems to him that there are a lot of questions that need to be resolved. He stated that this site plan reflects the back exits may or may not be because they need to be a cooperative effort which hasn't been communicated with the other owner. Mr. Marder stated that this is the basic site plan. Mr. Foote stated that they did not need to use the condo's entrances. They could use 46A. What is shown on the plan is their hope. Mr. Foote stated that he feels the site plan is complete even though they have a few details to work out. Mr. Dyal stated that he did not like the amount of traffic proposed for 46A. He asked if a traffic study had been completed. Mr. Lochrane stated that a traffic study has been completed but that it wasn't completed in time to get it into the Commission's packet. Mrs. Stairs stated that a traffic study would have been very helpful in this instance. Mr. Dyal moved to table until the confusion is resolved. Mr. McClanahan seconded. In opposition to the motion were Mr. Robert, Mr. Valerino, and Mr. Brooks. Motion carried. MINUTES PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MARCH 20, 1997 PAr.p. 4 Mr. Stogner stated that on Friday Night the Plaza had an outdoor concert that went until 2 :00 in the morning. He called the police and there wasn't anything that could be done because of a permit. He met with Bill Simmons and Bill Simmons was unaware that this was going on. Saturday night there was the same thing and it was even louder. The Mayor was there. They were not checking licenses, serving minors, and kids on skateboards at midnight. Mr. Stogner stated that he has 80 calls to the Police Department from neighbors in his subdivision. The fire is being fueled by approving all these beer and wine licenses. He stated that he is glad Mr. Smith is developing the Plaza and commends him on what he has done. He asked how could we monitor minors in all these places. Mr. Dyal requested that Staff tape a look at the hack of the the place at Airport Blvd. & 17 -92 because it looks awful. Mr. Stogner asked if something has been done regarding the lights at Shell Station. Mr. Gibson reported that a site plan has been submitted by that Shell Station for conversion to a convenience store. Staff has responded to a multitude of deficiencies on this site including the lighting. Mr. Skat requested that someone check on the outdoor storage across from the county building. There , is actually someone living in a trailer stringing their clothes out behind the building. Mr. Dyal moved to approve the Minutes as circulated. Seconded by Mr. Garrett. All in favor. Motion carried. There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 8:15 P.M. Helen St r Chairperson