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11.17.88MINUTES Planning and Zoning Comni.ssion Meeting of November 17, 1988 7:00 P.M. City Commission Chambers Members Present Brent Carli John Morris Tay Speer Gary Davidson Eddie Keith Leon Brooks Jay Malone Members Absent: Joe Dennison John LeRoy Others Present: Jay Marder, City Planner Bettie Sonnenberg, Zoning and Arbor Inspector Bill Simmons, Director of Engineering and Planning The meeting was called to order at 7:00 P.M. by Chairman Carli. The first item on the agenda was a Public Hearing to consider an ordinance of the City of Sanford, Florida, said ordinance being the Land Development Regulations of said City. Mr. Marder stated that we have been working on the Land Development Regulations for a little over a year and passed out a list of all the people who have received copies of this material. Mr. Julian Stenstrom stated that he was representing Stenstram Realty and that they are in favor of the ordinance. Mr. Morris moved to recommend adoption of the Ordinance to the City Commission. Seconded by Mr. Davidson. All in favor. Motion carried. The next item on the agenda was a Public Hearing to consider a request to rezone from SR1 -A to that of RC -1 for an accounting office and residential properties located as 2464, 2466, 2468, 2470 and 2472 Sanford Avenue. Owners /representatives: Anderson, Nimmo, Sumner, McKinnon, Piloian, Davis and Harper. Mr. Bob Howard, New Smyrna Beach, stated that although it will be an accounting office it will still be in keeping with the residential character of surrounding buildings and landscape. Ms. Luana Kish stated that she is in favor of the rezoning and asked that the Commission approve it. MINUTES Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting of 11/17/88 P 2 Mr. Keith made a motion to approve. Mr. Morris seconded. Mr. Keith stated that Don Smith, owner of the adjacent sporting goods store, said he is in favor of the rezoning. All in favor. Motion carried. The next item on the agenda was a Public Hearing to consider the conditional use for property located at 200 N. Elm Avenue for the purpose of a restaurant with alcoholic beverages with consumption on premises in a SC -3 zone. Owner: Irving Feinberg; repre- sentative: Darryl A. Barrs. Mr. Darryl A. Barrs, 2528 El Portal Avenue, stated that they would like to open a very classy southern style restaurant. There will be three dining areas, formal dining, informal dining and a grand dining area. The building is in two phases with a total of 20,000 square feet. Planning to use only one phase for the restaurant area. Within that one phase there will be three different restaurants. There will be a section for lunch, with take out, that will house approximately 120 people, called the informal dining area. The formal dining area will have a lounge area which will house anywhere from 100 to 120 people. The grand dining area will be able to house the whole complex, roughly about 400 to 500 people. In all three restaurants there will be from 100 to 120 tables seating an average of 4 people each. Mr. Barrs stated that they are in the process of purchasing this property contingent upon the conditional use. Mr. Willie Hickman, Orlando, stated that he is in favor of the proposed conditional use. Mr. William Royster, 118 larkwood Drive, stated that his office is at 205 Elm Avenue, across the street fromâ–º this property. Mr. Royster stated that he has no problem with the allowance of alcohol. What he is concerned with is parking. To allow any parking on Fulton Avenue would be a gross mistake because Fulton is one of the few thru streets where the traffic moves rapidly. Mr. Royster said that part of his property is public right-of-way but there is no doubt in his mind that with this type operation, his pro- perty and First Federal will become primary parking areas. Mr. Royster stated that he is going on record to speak for Greene and Dycus, as being against this proposal. Mr. Malone stated that parking canes under the site plan but would like to know if parking was considered. Mr. Barrs stated that the first plan shows 146 to 160 parking spaces on this property. Another plan shows them talking to the bank about using their parking lot on the weekends and after hours. Mr. Barr stated that Phase One will be the formal dining and will be open towards lunch. They do not expect to have a great big crowd for lunch and they can only hold 120 to 140 people and should have adequate parking on -site to handle the lunch crowd. Phase Two is the informal dining, an after five type thing, which this dining will be open during happy hours for snacks and things of this type nature. This is after business hours and they hope to use the Bank's parking for any type of overflow. Phase Three is the grand dining which is planned to be open only on weekends. Once again, an arrangement is hoped to be made with the Bank to handle the overflow of parking. MINU'T'ES Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting of 11/17/88 Page 3 Mr. Malone made motion to reccnmend approval subject to site plan approval. Mr. Brooks seconded. All in favor. Motion carried. The next item on the agenda was a Public Hearing to consider the conditional use for the property located at 1522 S. French Avenue for the purpose of a restaurant with con- sumption of alcoholic beverages on premises in a GC -2 zone. Owner: Sanford Centre Associates, Ltd.; representative: Gregory S. Clyde. Mr. Morris moved to table the proposed conditional use due to lack of representation. Mr. Davidson seconded. Mr. Malone opposed. Motion carried. The next item on the agenda was a discussion regarding the use of grass, mulch or a pervious alternative to the auto display area at 2600 French Avenue in a GC -2 zone. Owner: Bob Ball, Sr., representative: D. McGuire. Mr. Wayne McGuire, Maitland, stated that he wants to display automobiles on the left hand side of the grass area. Will have 6 to 7 cars. He is renting the front portion and the lot where the grassed area is. There will be no junk cars. The Commission unanimously recommended that the owner pave the area if he wished to continue automotive uses for the parcel. The first item on the late agenda was the discussion as to whether Florida Airgas could assume the existing nonconforming use of retail sales by Home Appliances Center at 1700 West lst Street in a RMOI zone for welding supply, retail sales only. Mr. Mark Cartwright stated that they are currently trying to establish their 9th retail outlet in the central Florida area. The building that they are looking at was used by a home appliance center. Florida Airgas wholesales and retails welding supplies for manufacture of supplies, for the hospitals, and restaurants. There will be bottled gas stored inside. This will be strictly retail walk -in for customers. All filling of gas cylinders are done at the Orlando site. Mr. Morris asked if Staff had any information from the Fire Department. Mrs. Sonnenberg stated that same of the gases could be flammable or combustible and there might have certain constraints for the storage but the Fire Department had no main problems with it being a retail outlet. Mr. Malone stated that this is not right to allow retail even though it has been grand - fathered in. We need more information from Staff. Mrs. Sonnenberg stated that another alternative would be for him to ask for rezoning because it is contiguous to GC -2 zoning. Mr. Malone and Mr. Speer would like to see him go for rezoning of this property. Mr. Carli advised the representative to rezone fron RMOI to GC -2 in order to have a retail sales out in this existing building. MINUTES Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting of 11/17/88 Page 4 The next item on the late agenda was the discussion as to whether a towing service only with an associated impound storage lot would be allowed with an automotive center located at 2613 Orlando Drive in a GC -2 zone. Owner /representative: Robert G. Barrett. Mrs. Sonnenberg stated that this had been under Mr. Whitaker's ownership. A towing service with an associated impound lot is all they want. Mr. Speer stated that there are residential hares in that area. The Commission denied the use of a towing service and an impound lot because of the inappropriate use being adjacent to SR -1 zoning on the east. The next item on the late agenda was a discussion as to whether a manufacture of mini- buses would be an appropriate use in a RI -1 zone on property located on Kennel Road. Owner: TransWorld, Inc.; representative: Don Collins. Mr. James Duke asked if the Commission could give them some guidance as to whether or not the manufacturing of mini -buses would be allowed in a RI -1 zone located behind the church at 46 and Kennel Road. He stated that they are in the process of moving forward with construction plans. Mr. Don Collins, Chairman of the Board and founder of Collins Industries in Hutchinson, Kansas, stated that they have a bus manufacturing plant in Kansas, a truck manufac- turing plant in Texas, a trailer plant in Alabama, and a bus and ambulance plant in Winter Park. Mr. Collins stated that they have approximately 26 acres in Winter Park and cannot extend their operation. They wish to dispose of the property on the west side of Forsythe Road in Winter Park and extend the ambulance operation on the east side. To do this the wheel coach operation needs to be relocated. The Sanford area makes a good location because employees will not have to be uprooted since 75% of them live in the northeast quadrant of the Metropolitan Area. They currently employ in excess of over 100 people. Mr. Collins stated that they get a chasis with the motor, the wheels, the engine and, on some, the doors and windshield already in, and they we assemble the body. Mr. Duke stated that Kennel Road will have to be paved and the water main would have to be extended. Mr. Collins stated that the building would be from 60 to 75,000 square feet with a master plan for expansion. The chasis will be stored outside. Mr. Collins said that they will do an appropriate job of landscaping, parking, paving, etc. and it will be the kind of building that will contribute to better types of development in the area. Mr. Simmons stated that it appears somewhat iffy with regards to our existing develop- ment regulations because under RI -1 zoning vertually everything Mr. Collins is talking about is either a permitted use or a conditional use. The Commission concurred that the establishment of a manufacturing /assembly facility of mini -buses would be an appropriate use for a RI -1 zone for property located on Kennel Road. MINUTES Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting of 11/17/88 Page 5 The next item on the late agenda was the consideration of a revision to Jim Lash's Blue Book to allow the parking of automobiles for sale and the storage of automobiles for parts aril /or repair on an unpaved area. Owner: Jim Lash's Blue Book; representative: Steve Lash. Mr. Steve Lash asked permission to use the grassed area for display and employee parking and also for Seminole County Sheriff cars. The grassed area is maintained. Mr. Simmons stated that we need to get more information regarding the drainage and an oil skimmer. The issue on drainage can be resolved. Mrs. Sonnenberg stated that we approved a site plan for this area and it was never identified as a display area. We would have considered it if it had been done at that particular time. Mr. Norris asked if Staff could check the minutes of December 1974 to see if there is anything relative to financial concerns. Also Chairman Carli requested that the Code Enforcement Inspector write Mr. Lash a letter relative to any violations. Mrs. Sonnenberg is to check and see if the Commission can get the minutes of the Code Enforcement Board. Chairman Carli requested all violations along that strip of auto dealers because he does not believe that things are being applied equally and fairly. After discussion regarding the grand - fathering of the unpaved display areas and engi- neering concerns regarding drainage, Mr. Morris moved to allow parking of automobiles for sale and storage and for parts and repair along the unpaved area for 45 days. Mr. Davidson seconded. All in favor. Motion carried. Mr. Keith requested that the disabled parking sign on First Street on the west side of the crossing walk be put back on the east side of the crossing walk. Mr. Davidson stated that there is a problem with the stop signs at Wal -Mart plaza. Requested Staff check on these. Mr. Malone made motion to approve the minutes as circulated. Mr. Morris seconded. All in favor. Motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 8 :30 P.M. Br Carli, Chairman TO: City of Sanford Planning and Zoning Commission FROM: Jay R. Marder, City Planner DATE: November 10, 1988 SUBJECT: Planning Recommendations for November 17, 1988 HARPER /DAVIS /PILOIAN /SUMMER /ANDERSON - Request to rezone from SR- 1A, Single Family Residential to RC -1, Restricted Commercial for property located on the west side of Sanford Avenue north of East 25th Street. 1. Site is Zoned SR -1A, Single Family Residential and includes various existing one family dwellings on lots fronting Sanford Avenue. 2. West boundary of site is adjacent to a row of lots fronting Palmetto Avenue which include various one family dwellings Zoned SR -1A. One family dwellings Zoned SR -1A are also located on east side of Sanford Avenue adjacent to site. A church is located adjacent to north boundary of site. 3. A sporting goods store fronting West 25th Street is adjacent to the south boundary of site in an RC -1, Restricted Commercial Zone. 4. The area in question is designated "Neighborhood" on the Future Land Use Concept map in the Comprehensive Plan. The neighborhood designation provides for small - scale, neighborhood - oriented commerce activities to be established " . on a site -by -site basis. " (P. II -18, Comprehensive Plan Document The request in effect constitutes a request to establish a neighborhood commerce area. The Plan also states that " . . . When located in a designated neighborhood area, neighborhood commerce areas should be located with direct access to and street frontage on major streets designated on the Major Thoroughfare Plan Map. . . 1' (P. II -18). Sanford Avenue is such a designated major street. Therefore, while the subject request is generally consistent with Land Use Location Policies contained in the Comprehensive Plan, the Plan provides decision - making flexibility for establishing neighborhood commerce areas on a site -by -site basis. 5. The question is one of policy regarding the establishment of nonresidential uses along Sanford Avenue in the immediate area and, more generally that portion of Sanford Avenue from the site north to East 13th Street, an entirely residential area. PLANNING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OF NOVEMBER 17, 1988, PAGE 2 6. Recommend denial of the request based on the desirability of maintaining the residential character already established in the immediate area and the general desirability of preventing uncoordinated uses and development patterns exemplified by portions of Sanford Avenue south of East 25th Street. FEINBERG - Request for a conditional use permit for the consumption of alcoholic beverages on premises in an SC -3, Special Commercial Zoning District for property bounded by Fulton Street, West Commercial Street, North Laurel Avenue and North Elm Avenue. 1. Planning recommendations are not provided for this type of request. SANFORD CENTRE ASSOCIATES, LTD. - Request for a conditional use permit for consumption of alcoholic beverages on premises in a GC -2, General Commercial Zoning District located on French Avenue south of West 13th Street. 1. Planning recommendations are not provided for this type of request.