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02.05.87MINUTES PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION February 5, 1987 7:00 P.M. Members Present: Members Absent: Others Present: John Morris, Chairman John LeRoy Lon Howell Eddie Keith Gary L. Davidson Sheila Roberts Jay Malone Brent Carli Dr. Hortense Evans Bettie Sonnenberg, Zoning & Arbor Inspector Bill Simmons, Director of Engineering & Planning Jay Marder, City Planner The meeting was called to order at 7:03 P.M. by the Chairman, John Morris. The first item on the agenda was to hold a public hearing to consider a request for a conditional use in a SR-1A zone for the purpose of 1,000 sq ft. living area, property located on the north side of 24th street and east side of Summerlin Ave., represented by Bob Seigler for the owner, Sam Gabbai. Mr. Seigler stated that this property was annexed into the City and was platted for a subdivision. The surrounding zoning is SR -1 and SR -1A. They are aware of the soil problems and the owner is required to supply the water and sewer to the subdivision and pave the street. Mr. Gabbai plans to build 1,150 sq ft. living area homes with garages and carports. He does not want to change the area and the price range would by $48,000 to $53,000. He will abide by the arbor ordinances when clearing the land. There will be 2 or 3 models built on 24th Street and then others would built as the lots are sold. Present to speak in opposition were Bruce Nelson, Betty Monett, Audrey Ogden, and Helen Shepherd. Mr. Nelson stated it would not be keeping in with the neighborhood because there are no 1,000 sq ft. homes around the area. Mrs. Monett said it should be compatible to the neighborhood. Mrs. Ogden was concerned about the noise, traffic safety to the children, and there is not enough police patrol in the area now. There are houses that have garbage, trash and junk cars. The property should be used for a park for their area. Mrs. Shepherd was concerned about the traffic and the water drainage. Something was also mentioned about a buffer wall that was to be erected. Mrs. Sonnenberg stated at the time of annexation and rezone, there was no one present to speak in opposition and there was no stipulations placed on the property. Mr. Seigler stated there will be a wall on the north side of the property. Mr. Malone stated that board could put a condition on it and make it a minimum of 1,150 sq. ft. living area because they could go for SR -1 zoning and build a smaller living area unit. Mr. LeRoy asked Mr. Seigler to try and save as many trees as possible. Mr. Carli moved to approve the conditional use with the following stipulations: 1. With a 1,150 minimum living area 2. A minimum 20 x 24 garage and /or carport MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION - February 5, 1987 - 7:00 P.M. Page 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. no stripping on the land 4. a survey of all the trees to submitted 5. no building permit issued without approval under the arbor ordinance. Mr. LeRoy seconded. Mr. LeRoy asked to amend it to a minum 20 x 22 garage. Mrs. Roberts said she would like to have garages instead of carports. Mrs. Roberts moved to amend the motion by: 1. having a minumum 20 x 22 garage and no carports. Mr. Carli seconded. The amended motion carried. The motion as amended was carried unanimously. The next item was to consider the site plan for an ACLF for Tom & Penny Spears located at 129 W. Airport Blvd in a RMOI zone, represented by Mack LaZenby. Mr. LaZenby stated that there is an existing residence and commercial office. The people who want to buy it wants to change it for an adult congregate living facility. Everything has been done that staff asked them to do. Mr. Simmons stated he would like to see the parking turn around deminsion changed from 4' x 10' to 4' x 20'. Mx.. Malone asked if there would be a full time live in employee and if they have their own facilities. Mr. LaZenby said yes there is a full time employee staying in the office /staff area and they would share the same facilities. Mr. Howell asked if 5 people would be using the same restroom and Mr. LaZenby said yes. There will be an additional parking space added because staff requested it and a tree will be moved. Mr. Malone asked the size of the dining area and no one knew the actual size. Mr. Carli stated that this was the first site plan for an adult congregate living facility that has come to the board since ACLF was re- evaluated and the board needs the sq. footage and the deminsions. Mr. Malone said he had no problem with approving the site plan but would like to see the interior. It sets a precedence and would like to table it and have it come back. Mr. Carli said there needs to be a nice buffer, fence or landscaping on the east side. Mr. Morris asked Mr. Simmons if he had any requirements from HRS. Mr. Simmons said no he did not. The city is not in the position to enforce the HRS standards. Mr. Spears stated the HRS required 60 sq ft. sleeping area per person, 35 sq ft. living and dining per person, which is a total of 95 sq. ft. per person. There are no requirements for the employee Mr. LaZenby stated that site plan meets the requirements and if the board has any changes they can approve it with conditions. Mr. Malone said he hearded a willingness to cooperate and would like to be made aware of the HRS requirements and know if it meets their requirements. He has no problem with the facility. Mr. Simmons said he could appreciate the boards desire to know HRS requirement. Similar situations exist when site plan is approached from the standpoint of saying that site plan must apply for permits, such as DOT, DER, Water Management, etc. and obtain approval as required. In this situation we are dealing with people instead of cars, fish, wild life or whatever, this group should not be penalized since its new and request for additional information than what has previously been routinely required or provided. Mr. Morris said the board wants to feel comfortable that the requirements set forth in the ordinance are being met. The problems that the board is having with the site plan is the landscaping, which will be placed on the easterly side, and the interior square footage. Mr. Morris said they have done everything the city has required them to do. Mrs. Sonnenberg stated that under the Southern Building Code, which the site plan has reviewed, it required 70 sq ft. per person per bedroom, 100 sq ft. for double occupancy, and 50 sq ft. for additional per occupant. This exceeds the HRS requirements. MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION - February 5, 1987 - 7:00 P.M. Page 3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Keith moved to approve the site plan subject to the following: 1. landscaping on the easterly side 2. provide for a 4' x 20' turn around area for the two cars that are parked under the carports. Mr. Lazenby questioned the board where in the ordinance does it require the additional landscaping. Mr. Morris said the board uses the ordinance as a minimum and if they see a defficiency, they request additional landscaping. The next item was to consider the site plan for an addition to the office /warehouse building located at 119 Commerce Way in Sanford Commerce Park in a RI -1 zone, represented by Mack LaZenby , for the owner, Gary Hill. Mr. LaZenby stated there was approval for the existing auto rejuvenation. The addition is for office /warehouse facilities for lease. He has included the existing requirements and brought it up to the standards. There is 1252 linear feet of the perimeter which requires 17 trees and they have a total of 22 trees. They are asking for a change in location for the trees. There are no trees existing on the lot now. On the parking calculation there is a requirement for 31 spaces, but they have provided 46 spaces. The structure is a metal building that will be fire sprinkled. Mr. Simmons stated staff had problems earlier but they have been resolved and staff recommends approval. Mr. LeRoy asked where the trees would be relocated. Mr. LaZenby stated there is a requirement to place a tree every 75 ft. around the perimeter. On the east side of the building there is an 8 ft. concrete wall that is within 30 ft. of the building and on the south side of the building there is a retention pond. He would like to move trees from the rear to the front to improve the landscaping and where they could be seen. Mr. Carli moved to approve the site plan with the moving of the trees to the side and the to the front. Mrs. Roberts seconded. Motin carried unanimously. The next item was to consider the site plan for a parking lot for the New Salem Baptist Church located on the Oleander Avenue right -of -way south of the intersection of W. 12th St. and Oleander Avenue in a GC -2 zone, represented by John Knight. Mr. Simmons advised the board that the proposed use was given to the City Commission for authorization for the use of the right -of -way and the City Commission granted the church the use. The trees will be removed on the south side of the property. Railroad ties will be placed there for parking to keep the cars from going onto the adjacent properties. The parking along the road is not adequate. The two broken down buses will be removed. The grass area on the east side of the building will be used for parking as an alterna- tive. If the parking is granted, there should be no parking on the road. Mr. Simmons said that engineering avoided recommending the paving or improvement to the ground because they reconized the church desired not to spend alot of money. Mr. Carli stated that the large city parcel that was granted for them to use or vacated to them, would possibly become a mud hole when there are cars 3 times a week on it. Mr. Simmons stated that the City would not be responsible for maintenance of the property. Mr. Knight stated the church will maintain the property and be responsible for the improvements. Mr. LeRoy moved to approve the site plan. Mr. Keith seconded. Motion carried unanimously. The next item was discussion of future land use for lots 5, 6, & 7, Flora Heights on Sanford Avenue south of Airport Blvd, represented by Joe Stiles. MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION - February 5, 1987 - 7:00 P.M. Page 4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Stiles stated the property is presently zoned Multi - Family which would allow 16 units per acre to be built. He would like to find out the views of the board in rezoning to RMOI with a condition of small professional offices and support services. Seminole County is looking at widening Sanford Avenue from Airport Blvd. going south. Mr. Marder stated the land use is presently residential. Part of the comprehensive plan will be to look at these areas such as this. Is is a problem area because the road is going to be widened. There will be more requests such as this and it is necessary to determine some type of recommended policy along the particular section of roadway. Mr. Stiles said there are no existing structures on the property. Mr. Simmons questioned what kind of time frame he is needing because the board is in the process of updating and doing a new comprehensive plan which is scheduled for completion in the summertime. They will be addressing this type of question and wonder if he could wait on an anwser until the board has proceeded through the comprehensive plan. Mr. Stiles said that he is in the process of finishing out San Lanta 3rd addition and is looking at finishing the last 8 or 9 houses by June. The board said they would look at it and consider it then. Mr. Carli stated he liked the numbering of items in the minutes and hoped to see it continue. He questioned if the two letters were sent to the county and was told they have not been at this time. He questioned the border of lights on the sign for Golden Lamb and Mrs. Sonnenberg reported to him that she discussed it with the Building Official and it is allowed under the sign ordinance. The Board agreed to address the sign ordinance with the Commission at the workshop. Mr. Carli asked for an update on the Airport Blvd. lighting and Mr. Simmons stated that Public Works is working on it. There were some poles that needed to be moved due to the Pinewood Trails Apts. Mr. Carli also asked if the violation was sent to the car lot on Coronado Stone and Mrs. Sonnenberg said yes it has. Mr. Carli questioned the Discount Auto store at the Sanford Plaza in reference to it changing the use and moving a bearing wall and why it did not come to site plan. Mrs. Sonnenberg stated it is still retail sales and they took the wall down to get the vault out. The entire store is being used for the auto parts store. Mr. Davidson questioned the signage at the Seminole Centre. The stop signs that have been painted over on the pavement are showing through the paint and is going to cause a traffic accident. Mr. Carli said they are in violation of the site plan and needs to be taken to code enforcement. Mr. Carli moved to turn it over to Code Enforcement. Mr. LeRoy asked if the board could throw in the landscaping with it. It would be because it is in violation of the approved site plan. The board asked if licensing could designate an employee to review the fictitious names in the paper. The Minutes of the previous meeting were approve. Mr. Simmons asked to speak in reference to the HRS criteria. He was concerned at the direction with the regard of staff being expected to review site plan for everyone else's criteria. He felt it is a real problem and not realistic and does not want to have future site plan applicants caught in the middle. It is not feasible, proper or responsbile for staff to try to do this and interpret accurately a bunch of sometimes very technical and intricate requirements from different agencies as opposed to requiring that agency to sign off on their rules as applicable to the site plan. Sometimes it takes months to recieve approval from those agencies and to expect staff, as a third party, to possibly get that kind of thing in a timely fashion, is impractical. Mr. Morris stated that the board just wants to more strigently adhere to the current city codes and ordinances and make sure that everything is covered. MINUTES - PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSS ION - February 5, 1987 - 7:00 P.M. Page 5 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned. o n Morris, Chairman