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04.11.02Historic Preservation Board Meeting Notice and Agenda Date: April 11, 2002 Location: Sanford City Hall City Commission Chambers 300 North Park Avenue, Sanford, Florida 32771 Time: Workshop 5:00 p.m. Regular Meeting 6:00 p.m. Workshop: 1. Guidelines for front yard lighting 2. Paint Colors — Alec Then 3. Committee updates and discussions Regular Meeting: 1. Call to Order 2. Roll Call - excused and unexcused absences 3. Approval of Minutes: March 14, 2002 4. Applications for Certificates of Appropriateness — Residential District a) 207 E. 11 St. Install Curb cut (Con't from 3/14/02) b) 1115 S. Myrtle Ave. Replace window with wood window (Con't from 2/14/02) C) 413 S. Myrtle Ave. 6' wood stockade fence d) 101 W. 9 th St. 6' board -on -board fence e) 317 S. Oak Ave. Move house out of Historic District f) 618 S. Oak Ave. Extend wooden picket fence g) 408 Palmetto Ave. Move window on side of house h) 1021 S. Elm Ave. Replace siding & windows i) 1020 S. Elm Ave. Add deck & railing to front of house (after the fact) j) 1201 S. Oak Ave. Remove addition to house; move window; add window at back of house k) 908 Magnolia Ave. Install shutters 5. Minor Reviews 6. 6 -month Reviews 1008 Palmetto Ave 209 E. 4 th St.: 908 Magnolia Ave. 7. Chairman and Board's items for discus 8. Adjournment. Replace front porch, steps & walkway; Install storage shed Move front steps; add railing on porch: Add window lion MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD WORKSHOP MEETING OF APRIL 11, 2002 5:00 PM CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS CITY HALL, SANFORD, FLORIDA MEMBERS PRESENT: Scott Singeisen Alec Then Maria Shreve Barbara Farrell Leslie Stevens Mary Valente Rey Sylvester Denny Gibbs Marveen Kelly MEMBERS ABSENT: Stephen Myers OTHERS PRESENT: Antonia Gerli, Staff Liaison Lynnette Mote, Recording Secretary Mr. Singeisen called the workshop meeting to order at 5:08, PM. Leslie Stevens opened a discussion about the lighting project proposed for the Historical District, and voiced several concerns she had; ie, some lights would be closer than others, should they line up; and not all neighbors would be getting them. Other issues brought up were should the HPB legislate styles or allow for variety. It was suggested that a site plan be submitted with the application. Mr. Singeisen said that once guidelines are established, the applications could go to Ms. Gerli, but until then, a C of A will be needed. It was suggested to make the guidelines part of an ordinance to simplify this procedure. Mr. Singeisen suggested that the Materials Sub Committee could look into this possibility, in the mean time. It was pointed out that Melanie Winternheimer resigned from the HPB. The Board appointed Rey Sylvester to the building materials subcommittee and Barbara Farrell to the Minor Review Sub Committee. Mr. Singeisen asked for a report from the Mr. Then about colors. Mr. Then said he had not done anything since last meeting on this, but that the question was should the HPB have more or less control over colors. The group agreed to move toward less restrictions, and in favor of self - expression. Mr. Singeisen suggested that a swatch of color on the 2 actual building might be helpful. Mr. Singeisen asked for a recap from Ms. Gerli as to what has been done in the way of colors in the past, and will leave Minor Reviews in this area up to Ms. Gerli's discretion. Mary Valente asked if the HPB could require applicants to submit all their small items at once, rather than one -at -a -time. It was suggested that applicants submit a site plan or a master plan of what they intend to do with the property. Maria Shreve was concerned that when people use other materials or colors than what they asked for from the HPB, what could the HPB do about it. Mr. Then said that they would have to give after -the- fact applications the same considerations that they gave the applicants who did things correctly, and asked the HPB before they built. Ms. Gerli stated that the HPB could not levy fines in this scenario. Ms. Gibbs asked if the HPB could incorporate double fees, rather than leaving enforcement of these issues up to Code Enforcement. Ms. Gerli stated that the City has included the S Code in its list of one -time violations, and fees are stipulated in the Code. The customer is given a chance to rectify a situation before he has to pay a fine. Mr. Then asked if the HPB could get a copy of the Ordinance in next month's package or have it emailed. Mr. Singeisen asked Ms. Gerli to talk to Mr. Marder about application fees for C of A's, and to look into doing a survey of CLG, and see what other cities in Florida do concerning their historical districts. Workshop adjourned at 6:00, PM. MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF APRIL 11, 2002 6:00 PM CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS CITY HALL, SANFORD, FLORIDA MEMBERS PRESENT: Scott Singeisen Alec Then Maria Shreve Barbara Farrell Leslie Stevens Mary Valente Rey Sylvester Denny Gibbs Marveen Kelly MEMBERS ABSENT: Stephen Myers OTHERS PRESENT: Antonia Gerli, Staff Liaison Lynnette Mote, Recording Secretary Mr. Singeisen called the meeting to order at 6:00 PM. Mr. Singeisen asked for approval of March 14 minutes. Corrections suggested were page 2, paragraph 2, change to "residential addition to a commercial structure." Mr. Sylvester moved to accept the minutes. Ms. Shreve seconded. Motion passed 9 -0. Item 4a; 207 E. 11 Street; Rachel Cheek Install curb cut; continued from 3/14/02. Ms. Cheek stated that she worked with Mr. Then since the last meeting to see what other options they could use. Ms. Cheek said that if she moved her fence back and extended the driveway she would still be parking on the Right of Way. She showed the HPB the way they were doing it now, by drawings, to clarify. It was suggested she go to the City first to see if they will approve what she wants to do. This would give Ms. Cheek all her options before she came before the HPB again with another proposal. Mr. Then volunteered to sit in on the meeting with the City. Mr. Then moved to continue until the May 9 meeting; Ms. Gibbs seconded. Motion passed 9 -0. 2 Item 4b; 1115 S. Myrtle Avenue; Kathy Plyler Replace window with wood window; continued from 3/14/02. Sandra Lynn Markey was there to present. She showed the Committee pictures and explained the work to take place. Mr. Then asked if the awning window would be replaced with a smaller, wider window with no awning on the South side, and was told yes. Ms. Shreve asked if the siding would be replaced or matched, and was told that they would match what was there. Mr. Then moved to approve as presented, providing new window is in compliance with Schedule S and the siding is keyed. Ms. Gibbs seconded. Motion carried 8 -0. Item 4c, 413 S. Myrtle Avenue; Darrell Williams. Six -foot stockade fence. Mrs. Williams was there to present. She stated that they had started the fence without a permit, and were then notified that they needed one. They stopped work on the fence in the meantime, until they could come before the HPB. Mrs. Williams stated that she was not happy with the front angle, so her husband would be moving it. She showed the HPB where the fence would be on her property. Mr. Sylvester moved to approve as presented. Seconded by Ms. Shreve. Motion carried 9 -0. Item 4d, 101 W 9th Street; Patrick Schugg Six -foot board -on -board fence. Mr. Schugg was there to present. Mr. Schugg brought copies of his survey to give the HPB. He stated that the proposed fence matches his neighbors' fences, and will extend just past the back of his house. Ms. Stevens moved to approve as presented. Ms. Gibbs seconded. Motion carried 9 -0. 4e, 317 S Oak Avenue, Angela Toney Move house out of Historic District. The applicant was not present. Ms. Gibbs made a motion to table this item to the May 9 th meeting. Seconded by Ms. Shreve. Motion carried 9 -0. 4f, 618 S Oak Avenue, David Gopsill Extend wooden picket fence. Applicant could not come to meeting, and asked Ms. Gerli for an extension until next month's meeting. No vote necessary. Item 4g, 408 Palmetto Avenue, Debra Harris Move window on side of house; Debra Harris was there to present. Mr. Then recused himself, as he is working with Ms. Harris. Ms. Harris said that after talking with Mr. Then about the placement of her windows, she would like to have them single /single /double, as he suggested. Ms. Farrell moved to approve as presented. Mrs. Shreve seconded. Motion carried, 8- 1(Singeisen). 3 Item 4h, 1021 S. Elm Avenue, Keith Hanson Replace siding and windows; Mr. Hanson was there to present. The Board had several questions for Mr. Hanson concerning his replacement windows: would he be going back to single windows; any record of what the house originally looked like; will the dimensions of all windows be the same. Motion by Ms. Valente to approve as presented. Seconded by Ms. Shreve. Motion carried 9 -0. Item 4i. 1020 S. Elm Avenue, Trypus Add deck and railing to front of house, after the fact; Ms. Farrell was there to present. Ms. Farrell showed the Board pictures of the house, showing that the porch was there when the present owner bought it. Ms. Gibbs stated that the railing on the porch was completely inappropriate. Mr. Singeisen asked Ms. Farrell to see if the applicant would modify the handrail, and Ms. Farrell said she would ask. Motion by Mr. Sylvester to approve the front deck with the condition that the owner remove the existing handrail, as it is not original to the building and style of the house. Seconded by Ms. Gibbs. Motion carried 8 -0. Item 4j, 1201 S. Oak Avenue, Rey Sylvester Remove addition to house, move window, add window at back of house; Mr. Sylvester was there to present. Mr. Sylvester stated that he has bought salvaged, one - over -one standard windows. Mr. Singeisen clarified that the question is will the Board be OK with the placement of the new windows without pictures or elevations. Also, will the Board be OK with the sealing up of the door on the East wall. Mr. Then said he would like to see the elevations. Ms. Valente moved that the Board approve the removal of the addition. Any new work must come before the board with elevations and pictures. Seconded by Mr. Then. Motion carried 8 -0. Item 4k, 908 Magnolia Avenue, Leslie Stevens Install shutters; Leslie Stevens was there to present. Ms. Stevens showed the Board pictures of the proposed shutters, and told them they would be operable on all windows. She said that where there was not enough room for a shutter she would let the shutter stand out at an angle. The Board suggested she use bi- folds on the double windows. Motion was made by Ms. Gibbs to approve as presented, with bi -fold shutters on the upper double windows. Seconded by Ms. Farrell. Motion carried 8 -0. Item 41; 1401 Magnolia Avenue; Rami Yosefian Ms. Farrell recused herself from the discussion. Stephanie Powers was there to present for the owner. in Mr. Singeisen explained that the applicant had appealed the Board's denial of the application and that the City Commission remanded it back to the HPB. Mr. Singeisen read a letter from Art Woodruff, Commissioner of District 1, explaining his view of this application. Mr. Singeisen asked if there was any negotiation between the owner and the Board as to using a system that would not be so intrusive to the exterior of the building. He was told no. Questions were addressed to Ms. Powers and the mechanical contractor, Ari Konforte. Mr. Konforte stated that condensation evaporates and there are no condensation lines. He stated that the grills are flush with the walls. Mr. Then asked if this was the grill that comes with the unit, and was told yes. Ms.Valente asked about the location of the angle irons and stated that the illustration shows them as a 4" band surrounding the grills on the outside of the building. Mr. Then said he would feel more comfortable if he knew what other options were available, and whether or not they were too uneconomical to be used. Mr. Konforte stated that other options they had explored were better suited to larger buildings, and would not be effective for this project. He said this was the best unit for this building and the needs of the future inhabitants for both heating and air conditioning. Mr. Singeisen said that he knew of other smaller ALF's that have used other systems successfully, but he could not speak of the economy of them. Mr. Then stated that he was very uncomfortable with the fact that a building that was under their protection has been damaged, and will probably not be put right. The three issues now are the efficiency of the unit, cost of the unit, and the preservation of the building. Ms Shreve stated that the Board should treat the project the same as they would treat a project that was not after the fact. Ms. Gibbs stated that there are 50 holes in the building and how could they undo that. Ms. Gibbs would like to see a landscape plan and suggestions from the applicant for mitigation. Ms. Stevens asked if the shrubbery would inhibit air -flow. She was told that there would be adequate space between the shrubs and the building. Ms. Shreve asked if they had considered powder coating instead of paint. Mr. Singeisen asked if the landscaping would be watered and maintained. Ms. Powers said there would be constant maintenance. Mr. Then said he had a problem with not knowing what the final product would look like, and that he did not feel well- enough informed to make a decision. Mr. Singeisen asked if the conditions of shrubbery, maintenance, irrigation, etc. could be made a part of the CO. Ms. Kelly made the motion that the application be denied because the applicant had not submitted information about the grillwork and landscaping. Ms. Gibbs seconded. In the discussion, Mr. Then voiced concern as to what the City Commission would think of the 5 Board if this issue is tabled again. Ms. Kelly withdrew her motion, and Ms. Gibbs withdrew her second. Ms. Gibbs moved that the Board approve the grill and frame with the following conditions: • Color of grill and frame to be submitted to the Engineering Department; • Color to match the brickwork,; • Both grill and frame to be powder coated; • Applicant shall submit a landscape plan and irrigation plan; • Shrubs shall be placed in front of the grills; • Shrubs at planting shall be 3 feet high and shall reach height of the window sills within eighteen months; • Landscaping shall be installed prior to the issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy; • Landscaping shall be maintained in perpetuity • All existing canisters, piping and surrounding chain link fencing shall be removed; Ms. Kelly seconded. Motion failed 4 -4 (Sylvester, Then, Singeisen, Stevens) Mr. Singeisen asked if any of the "nay" votes could be changed to "aye's." with modifications. Mr. Singeisen brought up the Burger King on French Avenue, and how they compromised to get along with the City. Ms. Gibbs stated that the holes are already in the walls. Ms. Shreve stated that filling in the holes would be worse than having the a/c units. Mr. Then said that he would rather see the project move forward and he would change his vote. Ms. Gibbs made the motion with conditions again. Ms Kelly seconded. Motion passed 5- 3 (Sylvester, Singeisen, Stevens). Minor Reviews 1008 Palmetto Ave. is in progress. Ms. Gerli was asked to send letters to 1008 and 1006 to get extensions. Ms. Gerli explained that she had included the Florida Certified Local Government information as an update to their booklet Making Defensible Decisions Ms. Gibbs stated that by the S Code, the Board has a duty to see that structures are maintained. Has the Board ever dealt with demolition by neglect; re: 819 Elm Street. Mr. Singeisen said anyone could call Code Enforcement or pass the information along to Ms. Gerli, who will give it to Code Enforcement. Meeting adjourned at 9:00, PM