10.14.99MINUTES
HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD
MEETING OF OCTOBER 14, 1999
5:00 P.M.
CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS, CITY HALL
SANFORD, FLORIDA
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Scott Singeisen
Fred Rogers
Barbara Farrell
Walt Padgett
Eline Ransom
Claudia Weber
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Julia Goeb- excused
Don Moore - excused
Bart Rush
Bob Kuhn- excused
Sica Nacu- excused
OTHERS PRESENT:
Andrew Van Gaale, Staff Liaison
Marion Anderson - Recording Secretary
The Chairman called the meeting to order at 5:05 P.M.
Ms. Farrell moved to approve the Minutes as circulated. Seconded by Mr. Rogers. All in favor. Motion carried.
Mr. Singeisen welcomed Ms. Weber to the Board.
First on the Agenda was an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness, residential, 1201 S. Oak Avenue, to remodel
a non - conforming structure (previously tabled). Due to lack of representation, this item remained tabled.
Tony Daniels was present for 901 Magnolia Avenue - to demolish the existing garage and rebuild a new one. Mr.
Singeisen stated that he could not find the minutes from when the pool was installed but he recalls Jerry Mills being very
adamant about protecting the garage because of its historical significance to the property and it being partially or
originally built about the same time. The previous owners wanted to modify the structure to include the pool pumps and
regulatory equipment and the Board denied that portion of the application.
Mr. Daniels stated that he had originally wanted to extend the existing structure for a two car garage. Two contractors
have looked at the structure and they have said it has too many termites and it is a liability. The structure may have been
built at one time for a garage but when the pool was put in it was converted to a shed. He stated that he has a very
visible car and would like to move it off of the street. At night he parks it on the pool deck. He will continue the same
fencing and proposes to use lap siding.
Ms. Ransom moved to approve. Seconded by Mr. Padgett. Mr. Singeisen stated that the garage is rather unresponsive
to the main house where the existing garage is and the garage door is suburban. He stated that he doesn't feel that the
removal of an original character element of the City is worth what is being proposed. Ms. Ransom stated that since the
structure is contributing to the District, it would need approval to be demolished and something of character should go in
its place. Mr. Singeisen stated that he would like to see documentation that the existing structure is going to cost more to
maintain and fix up than it is to demolish it and build a new one. He thinks the existing one is still worth saving. Ms.
Ransom withdrew her motion. Mr. Padgett withdrew his second.
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Ms. Ransom moved to approve the demolition of the existing structure and replace it with a two car garage for which the
Board needs to see some more detail. Mr. Van Gaale stated that it may be best for the applicant to come back with a
whole new plan rather than to approve demolition at this point. Mr. Singeisen suggested that it be tabled until more data
can be provided as to the demolition of the existing structure and appropriate details for the new structure. Mr.
Singeisen stated that he doesn't think an overhead glass panel garage door is in adherence with a contributing structure.
Ms. Ransom withdrew her motion.
Mr. Rogers moved to table and have the homeowner come back with more detail for the new structure and more
documentation on the existing structure as to cost. Seconded by Ms. Farrell. Mr. Padgett in opposition. All others in
favor. Motion carried.
Mr. Daniels also requested consideration of window treatments on the two windows on the southeast corner of his home.
He stated that he has two options: 1) to remove the screens and install storm windows, and 2) to mount inside the screen
a tinted or plexi- glass. To mount inside the screen, the screen virtually hides the concept of having a layer of glass that is
tinted. It helps to reduce the amount of heat and the amount of noise coming through.
The Board gave its approval of the second option which Mr. Van Gaale is to approve as a minor review item when the
application is submitted.
The next item was to construct a new garage with an apartment at 211 Elm Avenue. Chris Giza was present. He is
proposing to construct a two -story carriage house as a residence. There is currently an existing structure on the property
which will be leased as commercial office space. The proposed building will match the existing building as close as
possible including the type and pitch of the roof. The siding will be variform.
Mr. Van Gaale informed Mr. Giza that the commercial use would have to go through the Land Development Coordinator
and the Planning and Zoning Commission.
Mr. Singeisen stated that for the Board to approve the actual new construction, the Board would need a measured site
drawing, measured floor plans to scale and site elevations, as well as materials called out, and the garage door.
Ms. Ransom moved to approve the conceptual preliminary for the existing structure from residential to commercial, to
add a garage apartment behind the existing structure conforming to Schedule S and that the applicant come back with
more detailed drawings. Seconded by Ms. Weber and Mr. Rogers. All in favor. Motion carried.
Next on the Agenda was 1011 Oak Avenue - to install a sign. Due to lack of representation, Mr. Padgett moved to table
until the applicant is in attendance to answer questions. Seconded by Ms. Weber. All in favor. Motion carried.
On the Addendum was 613 Magnolia Avenue - extend covered porch on rear garage. Tim Dix was in attendance. He
stated that they would like to replace the existing deck with a larger one approximately 9'x9'.
Ms. Farrell moved to approve as presented. Seconded by Ms. Ransom. All in favor. Motion carried.
Mr. Dix requested approval of the installation of seven US Bahamas shutters made of wood. The shutters will be the
same color as the house.
The Board gave its approval of the shutters and Mr. Van Gaale is to add it to the Certificate of Appropriateness for the
deck.
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Next was consideration to replace the asphalt shingle roof with tin, accent the siding with cedar shakes, open the front
porch, replace the front door, add railing on the porch, replace front windows with wood, add brackets to the front porch,
and consider a future wrap around porch concept for 1103 Oak Avenue.
Kim House, 1105 Oak Avenue, was present. She stated that they have decided not to do the wrap around porch and
asked that it be withdrawn from this application.
Mr. Rogers moved to approve as presented without the wrap porch, either french doors or 3 over 1 windows in the
existing opening. Seconded by Ms. Farrell. All in favor. Motion carried.
Brady Lessard, Commissioner, commented on a recent appeal to the City Commission on a glass porch issue on Oak
Avenue. He stated that when they hear an appeal, they are limited to going strictly by the minutes. They had an
applicant that claimed lexan was glass. He stated that it would be helpful if there is an appeal that the Board feels
strongly about, if one could come and represent this side. Mr. Singeisen stated that he was in the audience that night and
was under the impression that he wasn't allowed to volunteer unless called upon. Mr. Lessard stated that the members
are more than welcome to come and represent the decisions of this Board.
Mr. Marder mentioned that on November 17 the Florida Department of Transportation will be here with WPQ Design
and Engineering regarding the Riverwalk. They will be presenting the preliminary design alternatives. There will be
alternatives on the north and south side of the road.
Mr. Rogers stated that he is concerned about the paint color samples in front of the Ritz Mr. Van Gaale stated that
nothing has been approved on the exterior paint colors.
Mr. Lessard stated that he thinks the City should have settled with the Fina Station regarding 3r and Park. This has been
tied up in court for a long time. Fina came to the City Commission and basically said that they would do everything as
long as the City waived the fines. The fines hasn't cost the City anything. He doesn't think Texaco/Fina/all subsidiaries
will ever pay the fines. This leaves the City with one option: to foreclose on the property. It is on its final appeal again.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 6:30 P.M.