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09.11.97MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 11, 1997 4:30 P.M. CITY COMMISSION CONFERENCE ROOM CITY HALL, SANFORD, FLORIDA MEMBERS PRESENT: Jerry Gross Helen Stairs Barbara Farrell Jerry Mills Don Moore Michael Skat Laura Sollien Scott Singeisen MEMBERS ABSENT: Kimberly Kmett- excused Julia Goeb- excused Sica Nacu OTHERS PRESENT: Andrew VanGaale -Staff Liaison Marion Anderson - Recording Secretary Kay Bartholomew Jennifer Singeisen Sanford Brown Donald Campbell Myra Freeman The meeting was called to order at 4:30 P.M. Mr. Mills noted that he was excused for the meeting of August 14, 1997. With noted changes Mr. Mills moved to approve. Seconded by Mr. Singeisen. All in favor. Motion carried. Commercial Applications for Certificates of Appropriateness: 301 East First Street - Install Signs: No representative. Mr. Mills moved to approve. Seconded by Ms. Farrell. All in favor. Motion carried. 203 Magnolia Avenue (Ritz Theater): Mr. Gross presented the Board with an update on what is happening at the Ritz. He stated that they have a permit to reconstruct the total interior. They will bring the Ritz back to what it was originally on the exterior. When asked about a Certificate of Appropriateness for the windows and some other items, Mr. Gross stated that they have a permit for the interior. Anything that was not part of the original Ritz, where they had the storefront closed up, they opened up. Mr. Gross stated that they did not touch anything that was originally part of the Ritz. The windows that had to be taken out, which there was MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 11, 1997 PAGE 2 only one good window in tact, had to come out for life safety reasons. The window is being stored at Ms. Bartholomew's place. After much discussion, Mr. Gross stated that he hasn't touched one thing on the outside. Mr. Gross explained that the stucco will be the same, there will be canopies and new paint with basically the original storefront, and 6 over 6 windows. Mr. Skat, Ms. Sollien, Mr. Mills, and Mr. Singeisen were strongly opposed to the fact that a Certificate of Appropriateness had not been submitted before the windows and doors were opened up. RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS: 908 Myrtle Avenue - Install superior shed in rear yard. Tabled 8/ 14/97. Mr. Skat moved to remove from the table. Seconded by Mr. Singeisen. All in favor. Motion carried. Sanford Brown, 908 S. Myrtle Avenue, was present for representation. He stated that he wants to put a shed in the back because Code Enforcement sent him a letter stating that he has to remove items from his front porch. He does not have a lot of storage at this house. He would like to install a I Ox20 shed that would sit along the car porch. Mr. Brown stated that he would like to have an aluminum shed because they don't wear out quite as fast and because of maintenance. Mr. Moore moved for approval as submitted. Seconded by Mr. Gross. All in favor. Motion carried. 1011 Oak Avenue - Install sign. No representative. Mr. Singeisen moved to table. Seconded by Mr. Skat. All in favor. Motion carried. 613 1/2 Myrtle Avenue - Install windows in second floor of back porch. No representative. Mr. VanGaale explained that the openings are already framed out. The windows would be made of wood and single pane. Mr. Mills moved to approve. Seconded by Mr. Skat. All in favor. Motion carried. 512 Myrtle Avenue - Replace metal shed with larger wooden shed. No representative. Mr. VanGaale stated that he thinks the applicant wanted to install a barn style shed. Mr. Gross moved to approve. Mr. Moore seconded. Mr. Mills suggested that Mr. VanGaale suggest to the owner to go with the Gable style. Mr. Gross withdrew his motion. Mr. Mills moved to approve and suggested to strongly urge the owner to go with the Gable style in lieu of the Barn style. Mr. Moore seconded. All in favor. Motion carried. Acknowledgement of Minor Review Committee Actions: a) 508 Myrtle Avenue - rebuild bay window area; b) 823 Park Avenue - repaint exterior; c) 110 S. Palmetto Avenue - repair windows. Mr. Gross moved to approve. Seconded by Mr. Mills. All in favor. Motion carried. Furl /Koch Project Proposal: Ms. Farrell stated that this presentation is to get feedback from the Board as what to do or an alternative with the lot at 615 Palmetto Avenue. This will be a 2 -story home. She stated that they had spoken with the Church regarding the small house on the corner of 5th and possibly moving it. It would work out fine in the back. It will be connected with a portico from section to section. Donald Campbell, 609 Palmetto Avenue, and Myra Freeman and husband, 605 Palmetto Avenue, were present and spoke in opposition to the idea of moving this house to this lot. Some concerns included whether the two structures attached by a portico would be used as a duplex, and if the Board accepts this, would it be allowing a four bedroom structure to be replaced by a one bedroom structure. Ms. Freeman stated that there are no other one bedroom houses on this block. MINUTES HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 11, 1997 PAGF, 3 Mr. Freeman stated that he went by and looked at the house Ms. Farrell is planning on moving. It is a piece of crap, it is rotten and covered with T 1 -11 siding. Mr. Campbell stated that he has a problem with the idea of the house being moved and not having the Church being responsible for the renovations. The house is vacant, termite ridden, and the rotten wood is continuing to disintegrate the structure. He does not feel that the Church should escape its responsibilities as far as owning a dwelling and maintaining it. Mr. Mills stated that he likes the concept of what Ms. Farrell is trying to do because it is retaining the old building, its designing a new home in a contextual appearance to match the neighborhood. Volume wise, it will match up fairly well to the massing of the housing in the nearby neighborhood. Its Ms. Farrell's problem if she can't sell a one bedroom house. Ms. Sollien stated that to move it would be to move it out of the location that is significant for that house because that block was built by the same people. To move it to this neighborhood would be to move it to a neighborhood where it's not appropriate because there are no other houses that resemble this one. Then, it will be buried behind a new structure. She stated that in her opinion, this is not saving this structure. Code Enforcement Request - Fina Station; Letter from Sanford Historic Trust: Mr. VanGaale explained that these were informational items. Discussion Regarding Downtown Commercial District Rezoning Plan: Ms. Sollien has been appointed to this Board to evaluate the zoning and uses. Discussion Regarding Redboarding; Discussion Regarding HPB Goals and Objectives and City Commission Worksession Presentation on 9/15/97: It was decided that these items would be reviewed at a worksession on Monday, September 15, 1997. Ms. Sollien was to make a presentation to the City Commission on the 15th but would postpone this presentation until goals and objectives could be discussed by the Board Members. Mr. Skat moved to confirm the worksession for September 15, 1997. Seconded by Mr. Moore. All in favor. Motion carried. 51st National Preservation Conference: Mr. VanGaale informed the Board that he would like to attend this conference in Santa Fe, New Mexico and that his expenses would be $1,128. Ms. Sollien stated that she would like to attend as well and would be willing to pay her plane fare if HPB would pay for the rest. Mr. Skat moved to approve Mr. VanGaale's and Ms. Sollien's expenses for the conference. Seconded by Mr. Moore. All in favor. Motion carried. Mr. VanGaale noted that on the 24th of September the cities of Leesburg and possibly Eustis have tentatively set a time at 4:15 of coming into the City for a tour. Mr. VanGaale has a conflict and requested that someone volunteer to show the representatives through our Historic Districts. They have established new boards and would like to know how we operate. There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 5:40 P.M.